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Can divisibility rules for digits be generalized to sum of digits



The 2019 Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results Are InDivisibility by 7 rule, and Congruence Arithmetic LawsWhy is $9$ special in testing divisiblity by $9$ by summing decimal digits? (casting out nines)Divisibility criteria for $7,11,13,17,19$Divisibility Rules for Bases other than $10$divisibility for numbers like 13,17 and 19 - Compartmentalization methodTrying to prove a congruence for Stirling numbers of the second kindThe following is a necessary condition for a number to be prime, from its digit expansion. Has it been referred somewhere?Let N be a four digit number, and N' be N with its digits reversed. Prove that N-N' is divisble by 9. Prove that N+N' is divisble by 11.Digit-sum division check in base-$n$Rules of thumb for divisibilityDivisibility by 7 involving grouping and alternating sumDivisibility of a 7-digit number by 21Divisibility Rule Proof about Special Numbers










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Suppose that we are given a two digit number $AB$, where $A$ and $B$ represents the digits, i.e 21 would be A=2 , B=1. I wish to prove that the sum of $AB$ and $BA$ is always divisible by $11$.
My initial idée was to use the fact that if a number is divisible by $11$ then the sum of its digits with alternating sign is also divisible by 11. For example
$$1-2+3-3+2-1=0 $$
so $11$ divides $123321$. So my proof would then be to consider the two digit number $(A+B)(B+A)$ or $CC$ which clearly is divisible by $11$ by the above statement if $C$ is $1$ through $9$. However, I am having truble justifying the case were $A+B$ is greater than or equal to $10$ and it got me wondering if the more generel is true: Let $ABCD...$ be a $n-digit$ number, if $$A-B+C-... equiv 0 (mod 11)$$
then $$S=sum_k=1^n(A+B+C+...)10^k equiv0(mod 11)$$
I am not really familliar with the whole congruence thingy, so incase the above is trivial I would be greatful on some source which could aid the solving of the above . Any tips or suggestion are also very welcome










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Suppose that we are given a two digit number $AB$, where $A$ and $B$ represents the digits, i.e 21 would be A=2 , B=1. I wish to prove that the sum of $AB$ and $BA$ is always divisible by $11$.
My initial idée was to use the fact that if a number is divisible by $11$ then the sum of its digits with alternating sign is also divisible by 11. For example
$$1-2+3-3+2-1=0 $$
so $11$ divides $123321$. So my proof would then be to consider the two digit number $(A+B)(B+A)$ or $CC$ which clearly is divisible by $11$ by the above statement if $C$ is $1$ through $9$. However, I am having truble justifying the case were $A+B$ is greater than or equal to $10$ and it got me wondering if the more generel is true: Let $ABCD...$ be a $n-digit$ number, if $$A-B+C-... equiv 0 (mod 11)$$
then $$S=sum_k=1^n(A+B+C+...)10^k equiv0(mod 11)$$
I am not really familliar with the whole congruence thingy, so incase the above is trivial I would be greatful on some source which could aid the solving of the above . Any tips or suggestion are also very welcome










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Suppose that we are given a two digit number $AB$, where $A$ and $B$ represents the digits, i.e 21 would be A=2 , B=1. I wish to prove that the sum of $AB$ and $BA$ is always divisible by $11$.
My initial idée was to use the fact that if a number is divisible by $11$ then the sum of its digits with alternating sign is also divisible by 11. For example
$$1-2+3-3+2-1=0 $$
so $11$ divides $123321$. So my proof would then be to consider the two digit number $(A+B)(B+A)$ or $CC$ which clearly is divisible by $11$ by the above statement if $C$ is $1$ through $9$. However, I am having truble justifying the case were $A+B$ is greater than or equal to $10$ and it got me wondering if the more generel is true: Let $ABCD...$ be a $n-digit$ number, if $$A-B+C-... equiv 0 (mod 11)$$
then $$S=sum_k=1^n(A+B+C+...)10^k equiv0(mod 11)$$
I am not really familliar with the whole congruence thingy, so incase the above is trivial I would be greatful on some source which could aid the solving of the above . Any tips or suggestion are also very welcome










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Suppose that we are given a two digit number $AB$, where $A$ and $B$ represents the digits, i.e 21 would be A=2 , B=1. I wish to prove that the sum of $AB$ and $BA$ is always divisible by $11$.
My initial idée was to use the fact that if a number is divisible by $11$ then the sum of its digits with alternating sign is also divisible by 11. For example
$$1-2+3-3+2-1=0 $$
so $11$ divides $123321$. So my proof would then be to consider the two digit number $(A+B)(B+A)$ or $CC$ which clearly is divisible by $11$ by the above statement if $C$ is $1$ through $9$. However, I am having truble justifying the case were $A+B$ is greater than or equal to $10$ and it got me wondering if the more generel is true: Let $ABCD...$ be a $n-digit$ number, if $$A-B+C-... equiv 0 (mod 11)$$
then $$S=sum_k=1^n(A+B+C+...)10^k equiv0(mod 11)$$
I am not really familliar with the whole congruence thingy, so incase the above is trivial I would be greatful on some source which could aid the solving of the above . Any tips or suggestion are also very welcome







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Use pmod11 to produce $pmod11$. So aequiv bpmod11 produces $aequiv bpmod11$.
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More generally, recall that the radix $rm,b,$ digit string $rm d_n cdots d_1 d_0 $ denotes a polynomial expression $rm P(b) = d_n b^n +:cdots: + d_1 b + d_0,, $ where $rm P(x) = d_n x^n +cdots+ d_1 x + d_0., $ Recall the reversed (digits) polynomial is $rm bf tilde rm P(x) = x^n P(1/x).,$ If $rm:n:$ is odd the Polynomial Congruence Rule yields $$rm: mod b!+!1: color#c00bequiv -1 Rightarrow bf tilde rm P(b) = color#c00b^n P(1/color#c00b) equiv (color#c00-1)^n P(color#c00-1)equiv -P(-1),:$$ therefore we conclude that $rm P(b) + bf tilde rm P(b)equiv P(-1)-P(-1)equiv 0.,$ OP is case $rm,b=10, n=1$.



Remark $ $ Essentially we have twice applied the radix $rm,b,$ analog of casting out elevens (the analog of casting out nines).






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    It's simpler than you are making it...and no congruences are needed:



    We have $$overline AB=10A+B quad &quad overline BA=10B+A$$



    It follows that $$overline AB+overline BA=11times (A+B)$$ and we are done.






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    You can easily push through what you were trying though. Say your numbers are $AB$ and $BA$. If $A+Bgt 10$, then write it as $A+B=10+c$; note that $0leq cleq 8$, because two digits cannot add to $19$. That means that when you do the carry, the second digit is $(c+1)$, and so $AB+BA$ will be a three digit number: $1$, then $c+1$, and then $c$. At this point, your test gives you $1-(c+1)+c = 0$, so you get a multiple of $11$.






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      More generally, recall that the radix $rm,b,$ digit string $rm d_n cdots d_1 d_0 $ denotes a polynomial expression $rm P(b) = d_n b^n +:cdots: + d_1 b + d_0,, $ where $rm P(x) = d_n x^n +cdots+ d_1 x + d_0., $ Recall the reversed (digits) polynomial is $rm bf tilde rm P(x) = x^n P(1/x).,$ If $rm:n:$ is odd the Polynomial Congruence Rule yields $$rm: mod b!+!1: color#c00bequiv -1 Rightarrow bf tilde rm P(b) = color#c00b^n P(1/color#c00b) equiv (color#c00-1)^n P(color#c00-1)equiv -P(-1),:$$ therefore we conclude that $rm P(b) + bf tilde rm P(b)equiv P(-1)-P(-1)equiv 0.,$ OP is case $rm,b=10, n=1$.



      Remark $ $ Essentially we have twice applied the radix $rm,b,$ analog of casting out elevens (the analog of casting out nines).






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        More generally, recall that the radix $rm,b,$ digit string $rm d_n cdots d_1 d_0 $ denotes a polynomial expression $rm P(b) = d_n b^n +:cdots: + d_1 b + d_0,, $ where $rm P(x) = d_n x^n +cdots+ d_1 x + d_0., $ Recall the reversed (digits) polynomial is $rm bf tilde rm P(x) = x^n P(1/x).,$ If $rm:n:$ is odd the Polynomial Congruence Rule yields $$rm: mod b!+!1: color#c00bequiv -1 Rightarrow bf tilde rm P(b) = color#c00b^n P(1/color#c00b) equiv (color#c00-1)^n P(color#c00-1)equiv -P(-1),:$$ therefore we conclude that $rm P(b) + bf tilde rm P(b)equiv P(-1)-P(-1)equiv 0.,$ OP is case $rm,b=10, n=1$.



        Remark $ $ Essentially we have twice applied the radix $rm,b,$ analog of casting out elevens (the analog of casting out nines).






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          More generally, recall that the radix $rm,b,$ digit string $rm d_n cdots d_1 d_0 $ denotes a polynomial expression $rm P(b) = d_n b^n +:cdots: + d_1 b + d_0,, $ where $rm P(x) = d_n x^n +cdots+ d_1 x + d_0., $ Recall the reversed (digits) polynomial is $rm bf tilde rm P(x) = x^n P(1/x).,$ If $rm:n:$ is odd the Polynomial Congruence Rule yields $$rm: mod b!+!1: color#c00bequiv -1 Rightarrow bf tilde rm P(b) = color#c00b^n P(1/color#c00b) equiv (color#c00-1)^n P(color#c00-1)equiv -P(-1),:$$ therefore we conclude that $rm P(b) + bf tilde rm P(b)equiv P(-1)-P(-1)equiv 0.,$ OP is case $rm,b=10, n=1$.



          Remark $ $ Essentially we have twice applied the radix $rm,b,$ analog of casting out elevens (the analog of casting out nines).






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          More generally, recall that the radix $rm,b,$ digit string $rm d_n cdots d_1 d_0 $ denotes a polynomial expression $rm P(b) = d_n b^n +:cdots: + d_1 b + d_0,, $ where $rm P(x) = d_n x^n +cdots+ d_1 x + d_0., $ Recall the reversed (digits) polynomial is $rm bf tilde rm P(x) = x^n P(1/x).,$ If $rm:n:$ is odd the Polynomial Congruence Rule yields $$rm: mod b!+!1: color#c00bequiv -1 Rightarrow bf tilde rm P(b) = color#c00b^n P(1/color#c00b) equiv (color#c00-1)^n P(color#c00-1)equiv -P(-1),:$$ therefore we conclude that $rm P(b) + bf tilde rm P(b)equiv P(-1)-P(-1)equiv 0.,$ OP is case $rm,b=10, n=1$.



          Remark $ $ Essentially we have twice applied the radix $rm,b,$ analog of casting out elevens (the analog of casting out nines).







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              It's simpler than you are making it...and no congruences are needed:



              We have $$overline AB=10A+B quad &quad overline BA=10B+A$$



              It follows that $$overline AB+overline BA=11times (A+B)$$ and we are done.






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              It's simpler than you are making it...and no congruences are needed:



              We have $$overline AB=10A+B quad &quad overline BA=10B+A$$



              It follows that $$overline AB+overline BA=11times (A+B)$$ and we are done.






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              It's simpler than you are making it...and no congruences are needed:



              We have $$overline AB=10A+B quad &quad overline BA=10B+A$$



              It follows that $$overline AB+overline BA=11times (A+B)$$ and we are done.






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              It's simpler than you are making it...and no congruences are needed:



              We have $$overline AB=10A+B quad &quad overline BA=10B+A$$



              It follows that $$overline AB+overline BA=11times (A+B)$$ and we are done.







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              You can easily push through what you were trying though. Say your numbers are $AB$ and $BA$. If $A+Bgt 10$, then write it as $A+B=10+c$; note that $0leq cleq 8$, because two digits cannot add to $19$. That means that when you do the carry, the second digit is $(c+1)$, and so $AB+BA$ will be a three digit number: $1$, then $c+1$, and then $c$. At this point, your test gives you $1-(c+1)+c = 0$, so you get a multiple of $11$.






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                You can easily push through what you were trying though. Say your numbers are $AB$ and $BA$. If $A+Bgt 10$, then write it as $A+B=10+c$; note that $0leq cleq 8$, because two digits cannot add to $19$. That means that when you do the carry, the second digit is $(c+1)$, and so $AB+BA$ will be a three digit number: $1$, then $c+1$, and then $c$. At this point, your test gives you $1-(c+1)+c = 0$, so you get a multiple of $11$.






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                  You can easily push through what you were trying though. Say your numbers are $AB$ and $BA$. If $A+Bgt 10$, then write it as $A+B=10+c$; note that $0leq cleq 8$, because two digits cannot add to $19$. That means that when you do the carry, the second digit is $(c+1)$, and so $AB+BA$ will be a three digit number: $1$, then $c+1$, and then $c$. At this point, your test gives you $1-(c+1)+c = 0$, so you get a multiple of $11$.






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                  You can easily push through what you were trying though. Say your numbers are $AB$ and $BA$. If $A+Bgt 10$, then write it as $A+B=10+c$; note that $0leq cleq 8$, because two digits cannot add to $19$. That means that when you do the carry, the second digit is $(c+1)$, and so $AB+BA$ will be a three digit number: $1$, then $c+1$, and then $c$. At this point, your test gives you $1-(c+1)+c = 0$, so you get a multiple of $11$.







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