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I'm trying to create a BBEG that can't die naturally, or at least lives for thousands of years. The PCs need to be able to kill them in the end though. I know I can use a Lich or Vampire but is there any other way to accomplish this?
I'm not interested in monsters who are already immortal, I am interested in finding a mechanic that will allow my BBEG to be immortal regardless of their race. I am considering making BBEG a Loxodon, but have not yet settled on anything. You can assume that BBEG remains on the material plane for the duration.
The final battle will be at about Level 15 for the PCs.
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I'm trying to create a BBEG that can't die naturally, or at least lives for thousands of years. The PCs need to be able to kill them in the end though. I know I can use a Lich or Vampire but is there any other way to accomplish this?
I'm not interested in monsters who are already immortal, I am interested in finding a mechanic that will allow my BBEG to be immortal regardless of their race. I am considering making BBEG a Loxodon, but have not yet settled on anything. You can assume that BBEG remains on the material plane for the duration.
The final battle will be at about Level 15 for the PCs.
dnd-5e spells monsters
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@Rubiksmoose Yes, that would be the final battle.
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– Eternallord66
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A simple Elf/Drow won't do?
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– adonies
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@adonies Elves/Drow don't live long enough.
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– Eternallord66
Apr 4 at 18:19
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Let us continue this discussion in chat.
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– NautArch
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Why not just make your big bad hydra? an organisation not an individual, your players don't have to know this of course.
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I'm trying to create a BBEG that can't die naturally, or at least lives for thousands of years. The PCs need to be able to kill them in the end though. I know I can use a Lich or Vampire but is there any other way to accomplish this?
I'm not interested in monsters who are already immortal, I am interested in finding a mechanic that will allow my BBEG to be immortal regardless of their race. I am considering making BBEG a Loxodon, but have not yet settled on anything. You can assume that BBEG remains on the material plane for the duration.
The final battle will be at about Level 15 for the PCs.
dnd-5e spells monsters
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I'm trying to create a BBEG that can't die naturally, or at least lives for thousands of years. The PCs need to be able to kill them in the end though. I know I can use a Lich or Vampire but is there any other way to accomplish this?
I'm not interested in monsters who are already immortal, I am interested in finding a mechanic that will allow my BBEG to be immortal regardless of their race. I am considering making BBEG a Loxodon, but have not yet settled on anything. You can assume that BBEG remains on the material plane for the duration.
The final battle will be at about Level 15 for the PCs.
dnd-5e spells monsters
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@Rubiksmoose Yes, that would be the final battle.
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A simple Elf/Drow won't do?
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– adonies
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@adonies Elves/Drow don't live long enough.
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– Eternallord66
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Let us continue this discussion in chat.
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– NautArch
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Why not just make your big bad hydra? an organisation not an individual, your players don't have to know this of course.
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@Rubiksmoose Yes, that would be the final battle.
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– Eternallord66
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A simple Elf/Drow won't do?
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– adonies
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@adonies Elves/Drow don't live long enough.
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– Eternallord66
Apr 4 at 18:19
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Let us continue this discussion in chat.
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– NautArch
Apr 4 at 19:16
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Why not just make your big bad hydra? an organisation not an individual, your players don't have to know this of course.
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– Pelinore
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@Rubiksmoose Yes, that would be the final battle.
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@Rubiksmoose Yes, that would be the final battle.
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A simple Elf/Drow won't do?
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– adonies
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A simple Elf/Drow won't do?
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@adonies Elves/Drow don't live long enough.
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– Eternallord66
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@adonies Elves/Drow don't live long enough.
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– Eternallord66
Apr 4 at 18:19
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Let us continue this discussion in chat.
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– NautArch
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Let us continue this discussion in chat.
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– NautArch
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Why not just make your big bad hydra? an organisation not an individual, your players don't have to know this of course.
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– Pelinore
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Why not just make your big bad hydra? an organisation not an individual, your players don't have to know this of course.
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Have them be a spellcaster with access to high level spells
The easiest way to achieve effective immortality is to use spells. A wizard has access to several of them once they get higher level spell slots.
Sequester will allow the BBEG to put themselves into a state of suspended animation during which they will not age. This will allow them to span any amount of time without aging (though it will mean that they are out of action for that time).
Clone will provide the BBEG with fresh young bodies to use once their older body dies. With enough of these, they can last an infinite amount of time. See this Q&A for more discussion on this.
Wish obviously wish can do anything, including granting immortality. A wish for immortality is unlikely to be granted in a straightforward manner though and would be a good opportunity for the DM to implement some sort of curse or other downside on the BBEG as a result of their wish.
Imprisonment is an option but it would require someone else to cast it on BBEG and for them to let them out again.
Reincarnate, revivify, resurrection, true resurrection can obviously also bring BBEG back from death assuming there is another caster capable and willing to cast it on them.
Instead of having the BBEG be a spellcaster, you can always have them have the assistance of someone or something capable of casting the spells. For example, Djinni can cast wish as well as some magic items. This can be a good solution in the case that making the BBEG high enough level to gain access to the spell themselves would be too much for the party to fight against.
Be a high level Druid or Paladin
At 18th level, druids get the Timeless Body feature:
[T]he primal magic that you wield causes you to age more slowly. For every 10 years that pass, your body ages only 1 year.
Combine this with a long-lived race like the elf or warforged and you easily have thousands of years of life.
An Oath of Ancients paladin at level 15 gets:
Additionally, you suffer none of the drawbacks of old age, and you
can’t be aged magically.
Which seems likely to be able to prevent death from old age as well if your DM interprets death from old age as a drawback. (thanks @Walt)
Grant an Epic Boon
As Carcer points out in their answer, a DM can use the Epic Boon of Immortality to grant BBEG Immortality. This assumes that they have 20 PC class levels and may not be justification enough for BBEG being immortal plot-wise, but it is an available mechanic.
Magic items
The Ring of Winter listed in Tomb of Annihilation will prevent aging.
You, as DM can also feel free to invent any kind of item or artifact that can prolong life as well. Just be sure you are fine with having it fall into the PC's hands or have some sort of plan to have them need to destroy it.
In fact...
Make something up
If none of the RAW options above satisfy you, make something up. You are the DM and you have the power to change your world to contain whatever effects you want. Perhaps, the villain found or made a powerful artifact. Or maybe they found a sacred site or ritual that allows them to be long-lived. The options are really endless and really, there shouldn't be much of a concern here because the long-lived villain is a common trope and is not likely to be a problem for players to accept even without explanation.
Or even better, you can mix and match from all these options to create the long-lived villain of your dreams.
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Oath of Ancients paladin at level 15 gets "Additionally, you suffer none of the drawbacks of old age, and you can’t be aged magically." I'd consider "death" a drawback of old age, no?
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People just suck at wishing. Just need to qualify your wish with "... in a way that my current present self in my current present state would find satisfying and in line with my own intent in making the wish."
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– Shufflepants
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"...warforged (see below)" I don't see anything below related to warforged? This is somewhat relevant to me, as my current 5e PC is a warforged druid.
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I always took the reading of "oath of ancients" to mean you age normally but are still "sprightly", i.e. that 92 year old human still fights, runs, jumps like a 25 year old (think silver horde from Discworld). One day they just keel over from old age or more likely a pointy object.
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I find the idea ofSequester
really cool. It's really fitting for a BBEG, allowing them long-term plans AND avoiding detection. The guy would check on his minions' progress one day a month, or a couple days a year, then retreat in his "fortress" and Sequester himself until the next check-up. It's also super-cool for plot hooks: why didn't the BBEG intervene to squash the threat sooner? Well... he didn't share where he was sequestered with anyone, so they had to wait until he woke up to tell him, and by them it was too late...
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The Epic Boon of Immortality
The DMG (on page 231) describes an optional system of further advancement for characters at 20th level called epic boons:
An epic boon is a special power available only to 20th level characters. Characters at that level gain such boons only if you want them to and only when you feel it's appropriate.
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Epic boons can also be used as a form of advancement, a way to provide greater power to characters who have no more levels to gain. With this approach, consider awarding one epic boon to each character for every 30,000 XP he or she earns above 355,000 XP.
One of the boons described on page 232 is the Boon of Immortality:
You stop aging. You are immune to any effect that would age you, and you can't die from old age.
These options are intended for player characters, but there is no reason you cannot also use them for your NPCs. This method does presume your NPC is a 20th level character; that could be a challenge for a ~15th level party, especially if the BBEG is of a class which gets a very strong capstone ability, like a Circle of the Moon Druid, but it's not a totally insurmountable difference, depending on the circumstances of the fight.
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MacGuffin to the rescue
If you're the DM and you want the BBEG to have lived for thousands of years, then he's lived for thousands of years. Literally just make up a reason (try to make it a good reason); demonic pact, other worldly blessing, unicorn blood, whatever.
You don't need any mechanics to support you. Your rule is law.
If you really feel like you need a pseudo mechanical reason, then there are enough weird class features (Timeless Body for an 18th level Druid) or spell shenanigans (clone cycling) to keep your BBEG kicking for millennia.
Use a monster
I know you said you didn't want to, but why not? Devils are immortal (as well as plenty of other things), evil, and intelligent. It seems to fit the bill, but what you want is what you want....
Which brings me to a subpoint. Just give them the stats of a devil of your choosing and then make them literally anything else. The DMG and MM even suggests this (citation needed).
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Not only are Devils and Demons ageless, but they reform on their native plane when they die so they keep coming back.
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Just so you know, the question is changing a bit as we get more details from OP. Our answers are likely going to change (get shorter).
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The monster section (primarily your answer) is no longer applicable and your humanoid one seems covered now :(
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@NautArch (and moose) thanks for the heads up. I'll change it over the weekend.
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So this sounds pretty dumb, but quite doable.
For something that appears to be immortal, but has a high reset cost, do glyph of warding -> true resurrection.
In order to cast true resurrection out of glyph of warding, glyph of warding itself must also be cast at ninth level during setup. This means in turn that at least one of these spells has to be cast from a scroll due to both demanding a ninth-level spell slot.
So you have your BBEG hire* a 17th-level cleric to have a bunch of scrolls of true resurrection made. By RAW, scrolls of true resurrection take quite a long time to make, but that all took place before your campaign even started, so what's the problem?
*insert preferred manner of persuasion here
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Possibly related on Can your own death be a trigger for glyph of warding?
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@NautArch: an insect is a creature. I am failing to see a downside.
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I've once used a concept to create a "eternally changing" BBEG, but you can use it to create a effectively ageless villain. She is inspired by a story I read quite a while ago and I unfortunately can't remember the name nor the author.
Her gist was that she stole other people's bodies. Every once in a while, she would task her cult to bring her a few "candidates" from their tribe. Those candidates, from both genders and all walks of life, would then compete on a series of tasks and one of them would ultimately be chosen to replace the now-aging regent as their cult leader.
Once the next "ruler" was chosen, this person would enter a special chamber where the current regent would supposedly perform a ritual to pass on their knowledge to the next regent and then pass away.
However, what the ritual actually did was to swap the souls of the regent and the candidate, thus leaving the big bad in a new, different and young body. The unfortunate victim, now in an old and decrepit body, would then be pushed into a giant chasm directly to a pit of lava, erasing any hint of what actually happened in that chamber.
The "new" leader would then appear towards their people once more, greeting everyone with a very distinct red tint on their eyes - the mark of "The One" - and hold a feast to celebrate the regent that passed away and the one that now rises to power.
And everybody would go along, happy as if everything was good and right.
In terms of rules, this permanent "body swap" would be done via a Wish spell.
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A lower level (and riskier) alternative for the body swap could be a Magic jar spell
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Have them be a spellcaster with access to high level spells
The easiest way to achieve effective immortality is to use spells. A wizard has access to several of them once they get higher level spell slots.
Sequester will allow the BBEG to put themselves into a state of suspended animation during which they will not age. This will allow them to span any amount of time without aging (though it will mean that they are out of action for that time).
Clone will provide the BBEG with fresh young bodies to use once their older body dies. With enough of these, they can last an infinite amount of time. See this Q&A for more discussion on this.
Wish obviously wish can do anything, including granting immortality. A wish for immortality is unlikely to be granted in a straightforward manner though and would be a good opportunity for the DM to implement some sort of curse or other downside on the BBEG as a result of their wish.
Imprisonment is an option but it would require someone else to cast it on BBEG and for them to let them out again.
Reincarnate, revivify, resurrection, true resurrection can obviously also bring BBEG back from death assuming there is another caster capable and willing to cast it on them.
Instead of having the BBEG be a spellcaster, you can always have them have the assistance of someone or something capable of casting the spells. For example, Djinni can cast wish as well as some magic items. This can be a good solution in the case that making the BBEG high enough level to gain access to the spell themselves would be too much for the party to fight against.
Be a high level Druid or Paladin
At 18th level, druids get the Timeless Body feature:
[T]he primal magic that you wield causes you to age more slowly. For every 10 years that pass, your body ages only 1 year.
Combine this with a long-lived race like the elf or warforged and you easily have thousands of years of life.
An Oath of Ancients paladin at level 15 gets:
Additionally, you suffer none of the drawbacks of old age, and you
can’t be aged magically.
Which seems likely to be able to prevent death from old age as well if your DM interprets death from old age as a drawback. (thanks @Walt)
Grant an Epic Boon
As Carcer points out in their answer, a DM can use the Epic Boon of Immortality to grant BBEG Immortality. This assumes that they have 20 PC class levels and may not be justification enough for BBEG being immortal plot-wise, but it is an available mechanic.
Magic items
The Ring of Winter listed in Tomb of Annihilation will prevent aging.
You, as DM can also feel free to invent any kind of item or artifact that can prolong life as well. Just be sure you are fine with having it fall into the PC's hands or have some sort of plan to have them need to destroy it.
In fact...
Make something up
If none of the RAW options above satisfy you, make something up. You are the DM and you have the power to change your world to contain whatever effects you want. Perhaps, the villain found or made a powerful artifact. Or maybe they found a sacred site or ritual that allows them to be long-lived. The options are really endless and really, there shouldn't be much of a concern here because the long-lived villain is a common trope and is not likely to be a problem for players to accept even without explanation.
Or even better, you can mix and match from all these options to create the long-lived villain of your dreams.
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Oath of Ancients paladin at level 15 gets "Additionally, you suffer none of the drawbacks of old age, and you can’t be aged magically." I'd consider "death" a drawback of old age, no?
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People just suck at wishing. Just need to qualify your wish with "... in a way that my current present self in my current present state would find satisfying and in line with my own intent in making the wish."
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– Shufflepants
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"...warforged (see below)" I don't see anything below related to warforged? This is somewhat relevant to me, as my current 5e PC is a warforged druid.
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– TemporalWolf
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I always took the reading of "oath of ancients" to mean you age normally but are still "sprightly", i.e. that 92 year old human still fights, runs, jumps like a 25 year old (think silver horde from Discworld). One day they just keel over from old age or more likely a pointy object.
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– AngryCarrotTop
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I find the idea ofSequester
really cool. It's really fitting for a BBEG, allowing them long-term plans AND avoiding detection. The guy would check on his minions' progress one day a month, or a couple days a year, then retreat in his "fortress" and Sequester himself until the next check-up. It's also super-cool for plot hooks: why didn't the BBEG intervene to squash the threat sooner? Well... he didn't share where he was sequestered with anyone, so they had to wait until he woke up to tell him, and by them it was too late...
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– Matthieu M.
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Have them be a spellcaster with access to high level spells
The easiest way to achieve effective immortality is to use spells. A wizard has access to several of them once they get higher level spell slots.
Sequester will allow the BBEG to put themselves into a state of suspended animation during which they will not age. This will allow them to span any amount of time without aging (though it will mean that they are out of action for that time).
Clone will provide the BBEG with fresh young bodies to use once their older body dies. With enough of these, they can last an infinite amount of time. See this Q&A for more discussion on this.
Wish obviously wish can do anything, including granting immortality. A wish for immortality is unlikely to be granted in a straightforward manner though and would be a good opportunity for the DM to implement some sort of curse or other downside on the BBEG as a result of their wish.
Imprisonment is an option but it would require someone else to cast it on BBEG and for them to let them out again.
Reincarnate, revivify, resurrection, true resurrection can obviously also bring BBEG back from death assuming there is another caster capable and willing to cast it on them.
Instead of having the BBEG be a spellcaster, you can always have them have the assistance of someone or something capable of casting the spells. For example, Djinni can cast wish as well as some magic items. This can be a good solution in the case that making the BBEG high enough level to gain access to the spell themselves would be too much for the party to fight against.
Be a high level Druid or Paladin
At 18th level, druids get the Timeless Body feature:
[T]he primal magic that you wield causes you to age more slowly. For every 10 years that pass, your body ages only 1 year.
Combine this with a long-lived race like the elf or warforged and you easily have thousands of years of life.
An Oath of Ancients paladin at level 15 gets:
Additionally, you suffer none of the drawbacks of old age, and you
can’t be aged magically.
Which seems likely to be able to prevent death from old age as well if your DM interprets death from old age as a drawback. (thanks @Walt)
Grant an Epic Boon
As Carcer points out in their answer, a DM can use the Epic Boon of Immortality to grant BBEG Immortality. This assumes that they have 20 PC class levels and may not be justification enough for BBEG being immortal plot-wise, but it is an available mechanic.
Magic items
The Ring of Winter listed in Tomb of Annihilation will prevent aging.
You, as DM can also feel free to invent any kind of item or artifact that can prolong life as well. Just be sure you are fine with having it fall into the PC's hands or have some sort of plan to have them need to destroy it.
In fact...
Make something up
If none of the RAW options above satisfy you, make something up. You are the DM and you have the power to change your world to contain whatever effects you want. Perhaps, the villain found or made a powerful artifact. Or maybe they found a sacred site or ritual that allows them to be long-lived. The options are really endless and really, there shouldn't be much of a concern here because the long-lived villain is a common trope and is not likely to be a problem for players to accept even without explanation.
Or even better, you can mix and match from all these options to create the long-lived villain of your dreams.
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Oath of Ancients paladin at level 15 gets "Additionally, you suffer none of the drawbacks of old age, and you can’t be aged magically." I'd consider "death" a drawback of old age, no?
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– Walt
Apr 4 at 20:51
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People just suck at wishing. Just need to qualify your wish with "... in a way that my current present self in my current present state would find satisfying and in line with my own intent in making the wish."
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– Shufflepants
Apr 4 at 21:35
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"...warforged (see below)" I don't see anything below related to warforged? This is somewhat relevant to me, as my current 5e PC is a warforged druid.
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– TemporalWolf
Apr 4 at 22:49
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I always took the reading of "oath of ancients" to mean you age normally but are still "sprightly", i.e. that 92 year old human still fights, runs, jumps like a 25 year old (think silver horde from Discworld). One day they just keel over from old age or more likely a pointy object.
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– AngryCarrotTop
Apr 5 at 7:06
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I find the idea ofSequester
really cool. It's really fitting for a BBEG, allowing them long-term plans AND avoiding detection. The guy would check on his minions' progress one day a month, or a couple days a year, then retreat in his "fortress" and Sequester himself until the next check-up. It's also super-cool for plot hooks: why didn't the BBEG intervene to squash the threat sooner? Well... he didn't share where he was sequestered with anyone, so they had to wait until he woke up to tell him, and by them it was too late...
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– Matthieu M.
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Have them be a spellcaster with access to high level spells
The easiest way to achieve effective immortality is to use spells. A wizard has access to several of them once they get higher level spell slots.
Sequester will allow the BBEG to put themselves into a state of suspended animation during which they will not age. This will allow them to span any amount of time without aging (though it will mean that they are out of action for that time).
Clone will provide the BBEG with fresh young bodies to use once their older body dies. With enough of these, they can last an infinite amount of time. See this Q&A for more discussion on this.
Wish obviously wish can do anything, including granting immortality. A wish for immortality is unlikely to be granted in a straightforward manner though and would be a good opportunity for the DM to implement some sort of curse or other downside on the BBEG as a result of their wish.
Imprisonment is an option but it would require someone else to cast it on BBEG and for them to let them out again.
Reincarnate, revivify, resurrection, true resurrection can obviously also bring BBEG back from death assuming there is another caster capable and willing to cast it on them.
Instead of having the BBEG be a spellcaster, you can always have them have the assistance of someone or something capable of casting the spells. For example, Djinni can cast wish as well as some magic items. This can be a good solution in the case that making the BBEG high enough level to gain access to the spell themselves would be too much for the party to fight against.
Be a high level Druid or Paladin
At 18th level, druids get the Timeless Body feature:
[T]he primal magic that you wield causes you to age more slowly. For every 10 years that pass, your body ages only 1 year.
Combine this with a long-lived race like the elf or warforged and you easily have thousands of years of life.
An Oath of Ancients paladin at level 15 gets:
Additionally, you suffer none of the drawbacks of old age, and you
can’t be aged magically.
Which seems likely to be able to prevent death from old age as well if your DM interprets death from old age as a drawback. (thanks @Walt)
Grant an Epic Boon
As Carcer points out in their answer, a DM can use the Epic Boon of Immortality to grant BBEG Immortality. This assumes that they have 20 PC class levels and may not be justification enough for BBEG being immortal plot-wise, but it is an available mechanic.
Magic items
The Ring of Winter listed in Tomb of Annihilation will prevent aging.
You, as DM can also feel free to invent any kind of item or artifact that can prolong life as well. Just be sure you are fine with having it fall into the PC's hands or have some sort of plan to have them need to destroy it.
In fact...
Make something up
If none of the RAW options above satisfy you, make something up. You are the DM and you have the power to change your world to contain whatever effects you want. Perhaps, the villain found or made a powerful artifact. Or maybe they found a sacred site or ritual that allows them to be long-lived. The options are really endless and really, there shouldn't be much of a concern here because the long-lived villain is a common trope and is not likely to be a problem for players to accept even without explanation.
Or even better, you can mix and match from all these options to create the long-lived villain of your dreams.
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Have them be a spellcaster with access to high level spells
The easiest way to achieve effective immortality is to use spells. A wizard has access to several of them once they get higher level spell slots.
Sequester will allow the BBEG to put themselves into a state of suspended animation during which they will not age. This will allow them to span any amount of time without aging (though it will mean that they are out of action for that time).
Clone will provide the BBEG with fresh young bodies to use once their older body dies. With enough of these, they can last an infinite amount of time. See this Q&A for more discussion on this.
Wish obviously wish can do anything, including granting immortality. A wish for immortality is unlikely to be granted in a straightforward manner though and would be a good opportunity for the DM to implement some sort of curse or other downside on the BBEG as a result of their wish.
Imprisonment is an option but it would require someone else to cast it on BBEG and for them to let them out again.
Reincarnate, revivify, resurrection, true resurrection can obviously also bring BBEG back from death assuming there is another caster capable and willing to cast it on them.
Instead of having the BBEG be a spellcaster, you can always have them have the assistance of someone or something capable of casting the spells. For example, Djinni can cast wish as well as some magic items. This can be a good solution in the case that making the BBEG high enough level to gain access to the spell themselves would be too much for the party to fight against.
Be a high level Druid or Paladin
At 18th level, druids get the Timeless Body feature:
[T]he primal magic that you wield causes you to age more slowly. For every 10 years that pass, your body ages only 1 year.
Combine this with a long-lived race like the elf or warforged and you easily have thousands of years of life.
An Oath of Ancients paladin at level 15 gets:
Additionally, you suffer none of the drawbacks of old age, and you
can’t be aged magically.
Which seems likely to be able to prevent death from old age as well if your DM interprets death from old age as a drawback. (thanks @Walt)
Grant an Epic Boon
As Carcer points out in their answer, a DM can use the Epic Boon of Immortality to grant BBEG Immortality. This assumes that they have 20 PC class levels and may not be justification enough for BBEG being immortal plot-wise, but it is an available mechanic.
Magic items
The Ring of Winter listed in Tomb of Annihilation will prevent aging.
You, as DM can also feel free to invent any kind of item or artifact that can prolong life as well. Just be sure you are fine with having it fall into the PC's hands or have some sort of plan to have them need to destroy it.
In fact...
Make something up
If none of the RAW options above satisfy you, make something up. You are the DM and you have the power to change your world to contain whatever effects you want. Perhaps, the villain found or made a powerful artifact. Or maybe they found a sacred site or ritual that allows them to be long-lived. The options are really endless and really, there shouldn't be much of a concern here because the long-lived villain is a common trope and is not likely to be a problem for players to accept even without explanation.
Or even better, you can mix and match from all these options to create the long-lived villain of your dreams.
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answered Apr 4 at 18:17
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Oath of Ancients paladin at level 15 gets "Additionally, you suffer none of the drawbacks of old age, and you can’t be aged magically." I'd consider "death" a drawback of old age, no?
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– Walt
Apr 4 at 20:51
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People just suck at wishing. Just need to qualify your wish with "... in a way that my current present self in my current present state would find satisfying and in line with my own intent in making the wish."
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– Shufflepants
Apr 4 at 21:35
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"...warforged (see below)" I don't see anything below related to warforged? This is somewhat relevant to me, as my current 5e PC is a warforged druid.
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– TemporalWolf
Apr 4 at 22:49
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I always took the reading of "oath of ancients" to mean you age normally but are still "sprightly", i.e. that 92 year old human still fights, runs, jumps like a 25 year old (think silver horde from Discworld). One day they just keel over from old age or more likely a pointy object.
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– AngryCarrotTop
Apr 5 at 7:06
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I find the idea ofSequester
really cool. It's really fitting for a BBEG, allowing them long-term plans AND avoiding detection. The guy would check on his minions' progress one day a month, or a couple days a year, then retreat in his "fortress" and Sequester himself until the next check-up. It's also super-cool for plot hooks: why didn't the BBEG intervene to squash the threat sooner? Well... he didn't share where he was sequestered with anyone, so they had to wait until he woke up to tell him, and by them it was too late...
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– Matthieu M.
Apr 5 at 8:24
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Oath of Ancients paladin at level 15 gets "Additionally, you suffer none of the drawbacks of old age, and you can’t be aged magically." I'd consider "death" a drawback of old age, no?
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– Walt
Apr 4 at 20:51
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People just suck at wishing. Just need to qualify your wish with "... in a way that my current present self in my current present state would find satisfying and in line with my own intent in making the wish."
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– Shufflepants
Apr 4 at 21:35
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"...warforged (see below)" I don't see anything below related to warforged? This is somewhat relevant to me, as my current 5e PC is a warforged druid.
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– TemporalWolf
Apr 4 at 22:49
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I always took the reading of "oath of ancients" to mean you age normally but are still "sprightly", i.e. that 92 year old human still fights, runs, jumps like a 25 year old (think silver horde from Discworld). One day they just keel over from old age or more likely a pointy object.
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– AngryCarrotTop
Apr 5 at 7:06
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I find the idea ofSequester
really cool. It's really fitting for a BBEG, allowing them long-term plans AND avoiding detection. The guy would check on his minions' progress one day a month, or a couple days a year, then retreat in his "fortress" and Sequester himself until the next check-up. It's also super-cool for plot hooks: why didn't the BBEG intervene to squash the threat sooner? Well... he didn't share where he was sequestered with anyone, so they had to wait until he woke up to tell him, and by them it was too late...
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– Matthieu M.
Apr 5 at 8:24
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Oath of Ancients paladin at level 15 gets "Additionally, you suffer none of the drawbacks of old age, and you can’t be aged magically." I'd consider "death" a drawback of old age, no?
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– Walt
Apr 4 at 20:51
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Oath of Ancients paladin at level 15 gets "Additionally, you suffer none of the drawbacks of old age, and you can’t be aged magically." I'd consider "death" a drawback of old age, no?
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– Walt
Apr 4 at 20:51
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People just suck at wishing. Just need to qualify your wish with "... in a way that my current present self in my current present state would find satisfying and in line with my own intent in making the wish."
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– Shufflepants
Apr 4 at 21:35
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People just suck at wishing. Just need to qualify your wish with "... in a way that my current present self in my current present state would find satisfying and in line with my own intent in making the wish."
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– Shufflepants
Apr 4 at 21:35
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"...warforged (see below)" I don't see anything below related to warforged? This is somewhat relevant to me, as my current 5e PC is a warforged druid.
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– TemporalWolf
Apr 4 at 22:49
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"...warforged (see below)" I don't see anything below related to warforged? This is somewhat relevant to me, as my current 5e PC is a warforged druid.
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– TemporalWolf
Apr 4 at 22:49
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2
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I always took the reading of "oath of ancients" to mean you age normally but are still "sprightly", i.e. that 92 year old human still fights, runs, jumps like a 25 year old (think silver horde from Discworld). One day they just keel over from old age or more likely a pointy object.
$endgroup$
– AngryCarrotTop
Apr 5 at 7:06
$begingroup$
I always took the reading of "oath of ancients" to mean you age normally but are still "sprightly", i.e. that 92 year old human still fights, runs, jumps like a 25 year old (think silver horde from Discworld). One day they just keel over from old age or more likely a pointy object.
$endgroup$
– AngryCarrotTop
Apr 5 at 7:06
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7
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I find the idea of
Sequester
really cool. It's really fitting for a BBEG, allowing them long-term plans AND avoiding detection. The guy would check on his minions' progress one day a month, or a couple days a year, then retreat in his "fortress" and Sequester himself until the next check-up. It's also super-cool for plot hooks: why didn't the BBEG intervene to squash the threat sooner? Well... he didn't share where he was sequestered with anyone, so they had to wait until he woke up to tell him, and by them it was too late...$endgroup$
– Matthieu M.
Apr 5 at 8:24
$begingroup$
I find the idea of
Sequester
really cool. It's really fitting for a BBEG, allowing them long-term plans AND avoiding detection. The guy would check on his minions' progress one day a month, or a couple days a year, then retreat in his "fortress" and Sequester himself until the next check-up. It's also super-cool for plot hooks: why didn't the BBEG intervene to squash the threat sooner? Well... he didn't share where he was sequestered with anyone, so they had to wait until he woke up to tell him, and by them it was too late...$endgroup$
– Matthieu M.
Apr 5 at 8:24
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The Epic Boon of Immortality
The DMG (on page 231) describes an optional system of further advancement for characters at 20th level called epic boons:
An epic boon is a special power available only to 20th level characters. Characters at that level gain such boons only if you want them to and only when you feel it's appropriate.
[...]
Epic boons can also be used as a form of advancement, a way to provide greater power to characters who have no more levels to gain. With this approach, consider awarding one epic boon to each character for every 30,000 XP he or she earns above 355,000 XP.
One of the boons described on page 232 is the Boon of Immortality:
You stop aging. You are immune to any effect that would age you, and you can't die from old age.
These options are intended for player characters, but there is no reason you cannot also use them for your NPCs. This method does presume your NPC is a 20th level character; that could be a challenge for a ~15th level party, especially if the BBEG is of a class which gets a very strong capstone ability, like a Circle of the Moon Druid, but it's not a totally insurmountable difference, depending on the circumstances of the fight.
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The Epic Boon of Immortality
The DMG (on page 231) describes an optional system of further advancement for characters at 20th level called epic boons:
An epic boon is a special power available only to 20th level characters. Characters at that level gain such boons only if you want them to and only when you feel it's appropriate.
[...]
Epic boons can also be used as a form of advancement, a way to provide greater power to characters who have no more levels to gain. With this approach, consider awarding one epic boon to each character for every 30,000 XP he or she earns above 355,000 XP.
One of the boons described on page 232 is the Boon of Immortality:
You stop aging. You are immune to any effect that would age you, and you can't die from old age.
These options are intended for player characters, but there is no reason you cannot also use them for your NPCs. This method does presume your NPC is a 20th level character; that could be a challenge for a ~15th level party, especially if the BBEG is of a class which gets a very strong capstone ability, like a Circle of the Moon Druid, but it's not a totally insurmountable difference, depending on the circumstances of the fight.
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add a comment |
$begingroup$
The Epic Boon of Immortality
The DMG (on page 231) describes an optional system of further advancement for characters at 20th level called epic boons:
An epic boon is a special power available only to 20th level characters. Characters at that level gain such boons only if you want them to and only when you feel it's appropriate.
[...]
Epic boons can also be used as a form of advancement, a way to provide greater power to characters who have no more levels to gain. With this approach, consider awarding one epic boon to each character for every 30,000 XP he or she earns above 355,000 XP.
One of the boons described on page 232 is the Boon of Immortality:
You stop aging. You are immune to any effect that would age you, and you can't die from old age.
These options are intended for player characters, but there is no reason you cannot also use them for your NPCs. This method does presume your NPC is a 20th level character; that could be a challenge for a ~15th level party, especially if the BBEG is of a class which gets a very strong capstone ability, like a Circle of the Moon Druid, but it's not a totally insurmountable difference, depending on the circumstances of the fight.
$endgroup$
The Epic Boon of Immortality
The DMG (on page 231) describes an optional system of further advancement for characters at 20th level called epic boons:
An epic boon is a special power available only to 20th level characters. Characters at that level gain such boons only if you want them to and only when you feel it's appropriate.
[...]
Epic boons can also be used as a form of advancement, a way to provide greater power to characters who have no more levels to gain. With this approach, consider awarding one epic boon to each character for every 30,000 XP he or she earns above 355,000 XP.
One of the boons described on page 232 is the Boon of Immortality:
You stop aging. You are immune to any effect that would age you, and you can't die from old age.
These options are intended for player characters, but there is no reason you cannot also use them for your NPCs. This method does presume your NPC is a 20th level character; that could be a challenge for a ~15th level party, especially if the BBEG is of a class which gets a very strong capstone ability, like a Circle of the Moon Druid, but it's not a totally insurmountable difference, depending on the circumstances of the fight.
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MacGuffin to the rescue
If you're the DM and you want the BBEG to have lived for thousands of years, then he's lived for thousands of years. Literally just make up a reason (try to make it a good reason); demonic pact, other worldly blessing, unicorn blood, whatever.
You don't need any mechanics to support you. Your rule is law.
If you really feel like you need a pseudo mechanical reason, then there are enough weird class features (Timeless Body for an 18th level Druid) or spell shenanigans (clone cycling) to keep your BBEG kicking for millennia.
Use a monster
I know you said you didn't want to, but why not? Devils are immortal (as well as plenty of other things), evil, and intelligent. It seems to fit the bill, but what you want is what you want....
Which brings me to a subpoint. Just give them the stats of a devil of your choosing and then make them literally anything else. The DMG and MM even suggests this (citation needed).
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Not only are Devils and Demons ageless, but they reform on their native plane when they die so they keep coming back.
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– GreySage
Apr 4 at 19:09
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Just so you know, the question is changing a bit as we get more details from OP. Our answers are likely going to change (get shorter).
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– Rubiksmoose
Apr 4 at 20:02
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The monster section (primarily your answer) is no longer applicable and your humanoid one seems covered now :(
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– NautArch
Apr 4 at 21:01
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@NautArch (and moose) thanks for the heads up. I'll change it over the weekend.
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– goodguy5
Apr 5 at 18:28
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MacGuffin to the rescue
If you're the DM and you want the BBEG to have lived for thousands of years, then he's lived for thousands of years. Literally just make up a reason (try to make it a good reason); demonic pact, other worldly blessing, unicorn blood, whatever.
You don't need any mechanics to support you. Your rule is law.
If you really feel like you need a pseudo mechanical reason, then there are enough weird class features (Timeless Body for an 18th level Druid) or spell shenanigans (clone cycling) to keep your BBEG kicking for millennia.
Use a monster
I know you said you didn't want to, but why not? Devils are immortal (as well as plenty of other things), evil, and intelligent. It seems to fit the bill, but what you want is what you want....
Which brings me to a subpoint. Just give them the stats of a devil of your choosing and then make them literally anything else. The DMG and MM even suggests this (citation needed).
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Not only are Devils and Demons ageless, but they reform on their native plane when they die so they keep coming back.
$endgroup$
– GreySage
Apr 4 at 19:09
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Just so you know, the question is changing a bit as we get more details from OP. Our answers are likely going to change (get shorter).
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– Rubiksmoose
Apr 4 at 20:02
1
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The monster section (primarily your answer) is no longer applicable and your humanoid one seems covered now :(
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– NautArch
Apr 4 at 21:01
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@NautArch (and moose) thanks for the heads up. I'll change it over the weekend.
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– goodguy5
Apr 5 at 18:28
add a comment |
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MacGuffin to the rescue
If you're the DM and you want the BBEG to have lived for thousands of years, then he's lived for thousands of years. Literally just make up a reason (try to make it a good reason); demonic pact, other worldly blessing, unicorn blood, whatever.
You don't need any mechanics to support you. Your rule is law.
If you really feel like you need a pseudo mechanical reason, then there are enough weird class features (Timeless Body for an 18th level Druid) or spell shenanigans (clone cycling) to keep your BBEG kicking for millennia.
Use a monster
I know you said you didn't want to, but why not? Devils are immortal (as well as plenty of other things), evil, and intelligent. It seems to fit the bill, but what you want is what you want....
Which brings me to a subpoint. Just give them the stats of a devil of your choosing and then make them literally anything else. The DMG and MM even suggests this (citation needed).
$endgroup$
MacGuffin to the rescue
If you're the DM and you want the BBEG to have lived for thousands of years, then he's lived for thousands of years. Literally just make up a reason (try to make it a good reason); demonic pact, other worldly blessing, unicorn blood, whatever.
You don't need any mechanics to support you. Your rule is law.
If you really feel like you need a pseudo mechanical reason, then there are enough weird class features (Timeless Body for an 18th level Druid) or spell shenanigans (clone cycling) to keep your BBEG kicking for millennia.
Use a monster
I know you said you didn't want to, but why not? Devils are immortal (as well as plenty of other things), evil, and intelligent. It seems to fit the bill, but what you want is what you want....
Which brings me to a subpoint. Just give them the stats of a devil of your choosing and then make them literally anything else. The DMG and MM even suggests this (citation needed).
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Not only are Devils and Demons ageless, but they reform on their native plane when they die so they keep coming back.
$endgroup$
– GreySage
Apr 4 at 19:09
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Just so you know, the question is changing a bit as we get more details from OP. Our answers are likely going to change (get shorter).
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– Rubiksmoose
Apr 4 at 20:02
1
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The monster section (primarily your answer) is no longer applicable and your humanoid one seems covered now :(
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– NautArch
Apr 4 at 21:01
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@NautArch (and moose) thanks for the heads up. I'll change it over the weekend.
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– goodguy5
Apr 5 at 18:28
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Not only are Devils and Demons ageless, but they reform on their native plane when they die so they keep coming back.
$endgroup$
– GreySage
Apr 4 at 19:09
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Just so you know, the question is changing a bit as we get more details from OP. Our answers are likely going to change (get shorter).
$endgroup$
– Rubiksmoose
Apr 4 at 20:02
1
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The monster section (primarily your answer) is no longer applicable and your humanoid one seems covered now :(
$endgroup$
– NautArch
Apr 4 at 21:01
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@NautArch (and moose) thanks for the heads up. I'll change it over the weekend.
$endgroup$
– goodguy5
Apr 5 at 18:28
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4
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Not only are Devils and Demons ageless, but they reform on their native plane when they die so they keep coming back.
$endgroup$
– GreySage
Apr 4 at 19:09
$begingroup$
Not only are Devils and Demons ageless, but they reform on their native plane when they die so they keep coming back.
$endgroup$
– GreySage
Apr 4 at 19:09
$begingroup$
Just so you know, the question is changing a bit as we get more details from OP. Our answers are likely going to change (get shorter).
$endgroup$
– Rubiksmoose
Apr 4 at 20:02
$begingroup$
Just so you know, the question is changing a bit as we get more details from OP. Our answers are likely going to change (get shorter).
$endgroup$
– Rubiksmoose
Apr 4 at 20:02
1
1
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The monster section (primarily your answer) is no longer applicable and your humanoid one seems covered now :(
$endgroup$
– NautArch
Apr 4 at 21:01
$begingroup$
The monster section (primarily your answer) is no longer applicable and your humanoid one seems covered now :(
$endgroup$
– NautArch
Apr 4 at 21:01
$begingroup$
@NautArch (and moose) thanks for the heads up. I'll change it over the weekend.
$endgroup$
– goodguy5
Apr 5 at 18:28
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@NautArch (and moose) thanks for the heads up. I'll change it over the weekend.
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– goodguy5
Apr 5 at 18:28
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So this sounds pretty dumb, but quite doable.
For something that appears to be immortal, but has a high reset cost, do glyph of warding -> true resurrection.
In order to cast true resurrection out of glyph of warding, glyph of warding itself must also be cast at ninth level during setup. This means in turn that at least one of these spells has to be cast from a scroll due to both demanding a ninth-level spell slot.
So you have your BBEG hire* a 17th-level cleric to have a bunch of scrolls of true resurrection made. By RAW, scrolls of true resurrection take quite a long time to make, but that all took place before your campaign even started, so what's the problem?
*insert preferred manner of persuasion here
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Possibly related on Can your own death be a trigger for glyph of warding?
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– NautArch
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@NautArch: an insect is a creature. I am failing to see a downside.
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– Joshua
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So this sounds pretty dumb, but quite doable.
For something that appears to be immortal, but has a high reset cost, do glyph of warding -> true resurrection.
In order to cast true resurrection out of glyph of warding, glyph of warding itself must also be cast at ninth level during setup. This means in turn that at least one of these spells has to be cast from a scroll due to both demanding a ninth-level spell slot.
So you have your BBEG hire* a 17th-level cleric to have a bunch of scrolls of true resurrection made. By RAW, scrolls of true resurrection take quite a long time to make, but that all took place before your campaign even started, so what's the problem?
*insert preferred manner of persuasion here
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Possibly related on Can your own death be a trigger for glyph of warding?
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– NautArch
Apr 5 at 3:10
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@NautArch: an insect is a creature. I am failing to see a downside.
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– Joshua
Apr 5 at 13:27
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So this sounds pretty dumb, but quite doable.
For something that appears to be immortal, but has a high reset cost, do glyph of warding -> true resurrection.
In order to cast true resurrection out of glyph of warding, glyph of warding itself must also be cast at ninth level during setup. This means in turn that at least one of these spells has to be cast from a scroll due to both demanding a ninth-level spell slot.
So you have your BBEG hire* a 17th-level cleric to have a bunch of scrolls of true resurrection made. By RAW, scrolls of true resurrection take quite a long time to make, but that all took place before your campaign even started, so what's the problem?
*insert preferred manner of persuasion here
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So this sounds pretty dumb, but quite doable.
For something that appears to be immortal, but has a high reset cost, do glyph of warding -> true resurrection.
In order to cast true resurrection out of glyph of warding, glyph of warding itself must also be cast at ninth level during setup. This means in turn that at least one of these spells has to be cast from a scroll due to both demanding a ninth-level spell slot.
So you have your BBEG hire* a 17th-level cleric to have a bunch of scrolls of true resurrection made. By RAW, scrolls of true resurrection take quite a long time to make, but that all took place before your campaign even started, so what's the problem?
*insert preferred manner of persuasion here
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– NautArch
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@NautArch: an insect is a creature. I am failing to see a downside.
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@NautArch: an insect is a creature. I am failing to see a downside.
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@NautArch: an insect is a creature. I am failing to see a downside.
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– Joshua
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@NautArch: an insect is a creature. I am failing to see a downside.
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I've once used a concept to create a "eternally changing" BBEG, but you can use it to create a effectively ageless villain. She is inspired by a story I read quite a while ago and I unfortunately can't remember the name nor the author.
Her gist was that she stole other people's bodies. Every once in a while, she would task her cult to bring her a few "candidates" from their tribe. Those candidates, from both genders and all walks of life, would then compete on a series of tasks and one of them would ultimately be chosen to replace the now-aging regent as their cult leader.
Once the next "ruler" was chosen, this person would enter a special chamber where the current regent would supposedly perform a ritual to pass on their knowledge to the next regent and then pass away.
However, what the ritual actually did was to swap the souls of the regent and the candidate, thus leaving the big bad in a new, different and young body. The unfortunate victim, now in an old and decrepit body, would then be pushed into a giant chasm directly to a pit of lava, erasing any hint of what actually happened in that chamber.
The "new" leader would then appear towards their people once more, greeting everyone with a very distinct red tint on their eyes - the mark of "The One" - and hold a feast to celebrate the regent that passed away and the one that now rises to power.
And everybody would go along, happy as if everything was good and right.
In terms of rules, this permanent "body swap" would be done via a Wish spell.
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A lower level (and riskier) alternative for the body swap could be a Magic jar spell
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– Pierre Cathé
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I've once used a concept to create a "eternally changing" BBEG, but you can use it to create a effectively ageless villain. She is inspired by a story I read quite a while ago and I unfortunately can't remember the name nor the author.
Her gist was that she stole other people's bodies. Every once in a while, she would task her cult to bring her a few "candidates" from their tribe. Those candidates, from both genders and all walks of life, would then compete on a series of tasks and one of them would ultimately be chosen to replace the now-aging regent as their cult leader.
Once the next "ruler" was chosen, this person would enter a special chamber where the current regent would supposedly perform a ritual to pass on their knowledge to the next regent and then pass away.
However, what the ritual actually did was to swap the souls of the regent and the candidate, thus leaving the big bad in a new, different and young body. The unfortunate victim, now in an old and decrepit body, would then be pushed into a giant chasm directly to a pit of lava, erasing any hint of what actually happened in that chamber.
The "new" leader would then appear towards their people once more, greeting everyone with a very distinct red tint on their eyes - the mark of "The One" - and hold a feast to celebrate the regent that passed away and the one that now rises to power.
And everybody would go along, happy as if everything was good and right.
In terms of rules, this permanent "body swap" would be done via a Wish spell.
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A lower level (and riskier) alternative for the body swap could be a Magic jar spell
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– Pierre Cathé
Apr 5 at 11:34
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I've once used a concept to create a "eternally changing" BBEG, but you can use it to create a effectively ageless villain. She is inspired by a story I read quite a while ago and I unfortunately can't remember the name nor the author.
Her gist was that she stole other people's bodies. Every once in a while, she would task her cult to bring her a few "candidates" from their tribe. Those candidates, from both genders and all walks of life, would then compete on a series of tasks and one of them would ultimately be chosen to replace the now-aging regent as their cult leader.
Once the next "ruler" was chosen, this person would enter a special chamber where the current regent would supposedly perform a ritual to pass on their knowledge to the next regent and then pass away.
However, what the ritual actually did was to swap the souls of the regent and the candidate, thus leaving the big bad in a new, different and young body. The unfortunate victim, now in an old and decrepit body, would then be pushed into a giant chasm directly to a pit of lava, erasing any hint of what actually happened in that chamber.
The "new" leader would then appear towards their people once more, greeting everyone with a very distinct red tint on their eyes - the mark of "The One" - and hold a feast to celebrate the regent that passed away and the one that now rises to power.
And everybody would go along, happy as if everything was good and right.
In terms of rules, this permanent "body swap" would be done via a Wish spell.
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I've once used a concept to create a "eternally changing" BBEG, but you can use it to create a effectively ageless villain. She is inspired by a story I read quite a while ago and I unfortunately can't remember the name nor the author.
Her gist was that she stole other people's bodies. Every once in a while, she would task her cult to bring her a few "candidates" from their tribe. Those candidates, from both genders and all walks of life, would then compete on a series of tasks and one of them would ultimately be chosen to replace the now-aging regent as their cult leader.
Once the next "ruler" was chosen, this person would enter a special chamber where the current regent would supposedly perform a ritual to pass on their knowledge to the next regent and then pass away.
However, what the ritual actually did was to swap the souls of the regent and the candidate, thus leaving the big bad in a new, different and young body. The unfortunate victim, now in an old and decrepit body, would then be pushed into a giant chasm directly to a pit of lava, erasing any hint of what actually happened in that chamber.
The "new" leader would then appear towards their people once more, greeting everyone with a very distinct red tint on their eyes - the mark of "The One" - and hold a feast to celebrate the regent that passed away and the one that now rises to power.
And everybody would go along, happy as if everything was good and right.
In terms of rules, this permanent "body swap" would be done via a Wish spell.
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A lower level (and riskier) alternative for the body swap could be a Magic jar spell
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– Pierre Cathé
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A lower level (and riskier) alternative for the body swap could be a Magic jar spell
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– Pierre Cathé
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A lower level (and riskier) alternative for the body swap could be a Magic jar spell
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– Pierre Cathé
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A lower level (and riskier) alternative for the body swap could be a Magic jar spell
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@Rubiksmoose Yes, that would be the final battle.
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– Eternallord66
Apr 4 at 18:07
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A simple Elf/Drow won't do?
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– adonies
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@adonies Elves/Drow don't live long enough.
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– Eternallord66
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Let us continue this discussion in chat.
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– NautArch
Apr 4 at 19:16
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Why not just make your big bad hydra? an organisation not an individual, your players don't have to know this of course.
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– Pelinore
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