Are bakers not paying promised rewards?Only 60% of the rewards made by a baker are distributed to its delegators?Why did the network ignore my baked block?What are the chances of my baker getting selected to bake?Why my endorser did not endorse the block 316956?When are Tezos Rewards Unfrozen?How to manage rewards for small delegators?My private node is not connecting to the peer mentioned in the start commandHow to set up auto transfer of baking and endorsement rewards to respective delegation accounts?How to become a baker - what are all the technical/financial requirements?Only 60% of the rewards made by a baker are distributed to its delegators?

How did the USSR manage to innovate in an environment characterized by government censorship and high bureaucracy?

declaring a variable twice in IIFE

Is it possible to make sharp wind that can cut stuff from afar?

DOS, create pipe for stdin/stdout of command.com(or 4dos.com) in C or Batch?

How is the claim "I am in New York only if I am in America" the same as "If I am in New York, then I am in America?

What typically incentivizes a professor to change jobs to a lower ranking university?

What do you call something that goes against the spirit of the law, but is legal when interpreting the law to the letter?

Are there any consumables that function as addictive (psychedelic) drugs?

Why don't electron-positron collisions release infinite energy?

What defenses are there against being summoned by the Gate spell?

A function which translates a sentence to title-case

If Manufacturer spice model and Datasheet give different values which should I use?

Can I make popcorn with any corn?

Why has Russell's definition of numbers using equivalence classes been finally abandoned? ( If it has actually been abandoned).

Why is an old chain unsafe?

A Journey Through Space and Time

I probably found a bug with the sudo apt install function

Accidentally leaked the solution to an assignment, what to do now? (I'm the prof)

How can I fix this gap between bookcases I made?

Motorized valve interfering with button?

New order #4: World

What is the command to reset a PC without deleting any files

Is it possible to do 50 km distance without any previous training?

Why is "Reports" in sentence down without "The"



Are bakers not paying promised rewards?


Only 60% of the rewards made by a baker are distributed to its delegators?Why did the network ignore my baked block?What are the chances of my baker getting selected to bake?Why my endorser did not endorse the block 316956?When are Tezos Rewards Unfrozen?How to manage rewards for small delegators?My private node is not connecting to the peer mentioned in the start commandHow to set up auto transfer of baking and endorsement rewards to respective delegation accounts?How to become a baker - what are all the technical/financial requirements?Only 60% of the rewards made by a baker are distributed to its delegators?













3















There is an interesting new service that compares ROI among bakers, called Bakers Performance Index. It differs from other ways to check this (e.g. see this post), in that they delegate 10 XTZ to a list of bakers for evaluation, and report actual rewards received. Since there is no reason why bakers should pay some tezos owners more than others, this seems to be a very accurate test for effective ROI.



What struck me though is the low ROI. For some, it's actually zero. Consider for instance the first set of columns, which seem to show an average of payment for cycles 34 to 88 (site has no documentation, so I'm just guessing).



The highest ROI is just under 3%, and that baker has an expected ROI of 7.10%. That seems like a massive difference. Same applies to the rest of bakers. What's going on? Why such difference? I am missing something? Or is this just lack of accountability, enabling bakers to underpay?










share|improve this question

















  • 1





    This question would seem more interesting as "how to calculate expected ROI". Doing some rough calculations, 7% seems about right for annual. 3% seems about right for cycles 33-84. I think they just consider different time periods.

    – Tom
    Mar 27 at 11:37















3















There is an interesting new service that compares ROI among bakers, called Bakers Performance Index. It differs from other ways to check this (e.g. see this post), in that they delegate 10 XTZ to a list of bakers for evaluation, and report actual rewards received. Since there is no reason why bakers should pay some tezos owners more than others, this seems to be a very accurate test for effective ROI.



What struck me though is the low ROI. For some, it's actually zero. Consider for instance the first set of columns, which seem to show an average of payment for cycles 34 to 88 (site has no documentation, so I'm just guessing).



The highest ROI is just under 3%, and that baker has an expected ROI of 7.10%. That seems like a massive difference. Same applies to the rest of bakers. What's going on? Why such difference? I am missing something? Or is this just lack of accountability, enabling bakers to underpay?










share|improve this question

















  • 1





    This question would seem more interesting as "how to calculate expected ROI". Doing some rough calculations, 7% seems about right for annual. 3% seems about right for cycles 33-84. I think they just consider different time periods.

    – Tom
    Mar 27 at 11:37













3












3








3








There is an interesting new service that compares ROI among bakers, called Bakers Performance Index. It differs from other ways to check this (e.g. see this post), in that they delegate 10 XTZ to a list of bakers for evaluation, and report actual rewards received. Since there is no reason why bakers should pay some tezos owners more than others, this seems to be a very accurate test for effective ROI.



What struck me though is the low ROI. For some, it's actually zero. Consider for instance the first set of columns, which seem to show an average of payment for cycles 34 to 88 (site has no documentation, so I'm just guessing).



The highest ROI is just under 3%, and that baker has an expected ROI of 7.10%. That seems like a massive difference. Same applies to the rest of bakers. What's going on? Why such difference? I am missing something? Or is this just lack of accountability, enabling bakers to underpay?










share|improve this question














There is an interesting new service that compares ROI among bakers, called Bakers Performance Index. It differs from other ways to check this (e.g. see this post), in that they delegate 10 XTZ to a list of bakers for evaluation, and report actual rewards received. Since there is no reason why bakers should pay some tezos owners more than others, this seems to be a very accurate test for effective ROI.



What struck me though is the low ROI. For some, it's actually zero. Consider for instance the first set of columns, which seem to show an average of payment for cycles 34 to 88 (site has no documentation, so I'm just guessing).



The highest ROI is just under 3%, and that baker has an expected ROI of 7.10%. That seems like a massive difference. Same applies to the rest of bakers. What's going on? Why such difference? I am missing something? Or is this just lack of accountability, enabling bakers to underpay?







baker rewards






share|improve this question













share|improve this question











share|improve this question




share|improve this question










asked Mar 27 at 9:32









luchonacholuchonacho

569217




569217







  • 1





    This question would seem more interesting as "how to calculate expected ROI". Doing some rough calculations, 7% seems about right for annual. 3% seems about right for cycles 33-84. I think they just consider different time periods.

    – Tom
    Mar 27 at 11:37












  • 1





    This question would seem more interesting as "how to calculate expected ROI". Doing some rough calculations, 7% seems about right for annual. 3% seems about right for cycles 33-84. I think they just consider different time periods.

    – Tom
    Mar 27 at 11:37







1




1





This question would seem more interesting as "how to calculate expected ROI". Doing some rough calculations, 7% seems about right for annual. 3% seems about right for cycles 33-84. I think they just consider different time periods.

– Tom
Mar 27 at 11:37





This question would seem more interesting as "how to calculate expected ROI". Doing some rough calculations, 7% seems about right for annual. 3% seems about right for cycles 33-84. I think they just consider different time periods.

– Tom
Mar 27 at 11:37










2 Answers
2






active

oldest

votes


















4














I am Axel, the developer behind bakersperformanceindex.com and I hope this tool can help you in reviewing the baking services you're using.



The basic idea behind it was:



  1. delegate the same amount of xtz to baking services, in our case 10xtz

  2. delegate at the very same cycle, in our case at cycle 34

  3. collect and display data in a simple and raw manner

So I delegated 10xtz at cycle 34 to 60 bakers.



There are basically 3 major columns:



  • cycle 34-->n-2

  • cycle n-1

  • cycle n

Each column has 3 sub-columns



  • Rewards

  • ROI

  • Balance

Rewards/ROI/Balance are headers for each column.



Let's take an example: Hayek Lab for the column cycle 34 --> cycle 88 (at this time 27th march 2019, cycle 90 in Tezos Time)



  • Rewards: 0.268

  • ROI: 2.681%

  • Balance 10.268

So between cycle 34 & 88, Hayek Lab had distributed 0.268XTZ of rewards for 10XTZ delegated, which makes a ROI of 2.68% for this period of 54 cycles.



If we annualize with the following figures:



  • Number of cycles in a year: 365/3 = 121.66

  • 121.66/54 = 2.25 (we've baked for 54 cycles in a 121.66 cycles)

  • Annualized return for Hayek Lab: 2.25*2.68%=6.03%

I think numbers are consistent



If we take the figures for cycle 89, we have:



  • Rewards 0.0058

  • ROI: 0.056% (we have a ROI of 0.056% for one cycle)

  • Balance:10.274

This is the balance we have after baking during 55 cycles. The annualized ROI with the ROI at cycle 89: 0.0058*121.66= 6.77%



Figures are once again consistent.



If I do not annualize ROI is because, imagine the baker you choose, for one reason or another, does not distribute the rewards, your annualized ROI is not the same.



I just want to rely on proven figures, all the data displayed is the data we have right now and not plans on the future.



After one year or 121 cycles or at cycle 155, we will have one year data so the ROI will be quite exact.



Few more comments:




  1. If some bakers display 0, is just we did not get any reward from them for various reasons:



    • 10xtz < Minimun Delegated Amount accepted

    • Anonymous delegation not authorized by baker

    • baker is a scam, node not working...


  2. I wish I could delegate 1000 xtz to all baking services at cycle 100. I am trying to convince bakers to get on board.


  3. Many new features are coming, but their development takes time & resources.


  4. You can get in touch with me at bakersperformanceindex@protonmail.com for sharing ideas.






share|improve this answer




















  • 1





    Thanks! Two suggestions. Why not add effective ROI, estimated annual ROI, and some simple FAQ/documentation? :)

    – luchonacho
    Mar 27 at 14:57






  • 1





    You should certainly display annualized figures, call them what you want but otherwise the data cannot be use to compare between baker A and baker B. Also you need to provide gross and net figures because at 10 xtz of delegation the rewards are significantly impacted by transaction fees.

    – Ezy
    Mar 28 at 3:22











  • @Ezy It seems the figures are gross. But I would imagine that's also the one presented in mytezosbaker.

    – luchonacho
    Mar 28 at 9:43


















1














I believe the period for which the data was collected and presented on this page is not sufficiently long to be representative.



The page states that data on returns was measured between cycle 34 and 88, which is 54 cycles, roughly 160 days or 5.25 months.



In your example, the ROI of 7.1% as estimated by the baker is stated as annual returns, i.e. 12 months, and the ROI on the page thus represents only 44% of this timeframe. Therefore, it seems that after 12 months, the baker will likely reach the estimated ROI. Nothing suspicious here.



As for those bakers with a 0% ROI, I assume that they have not yet been included in this project and data is just missing, though I have not checked that.






share|improve this answer























  • Oh! I thought they were annualised! Interesting. Yes, that then explains the issue. The documentation is non-existent and that should be made clear.

    – luchonacho
    Mar 27 at 11:54












  • If they dont annualize thats bad

    – Ezy
    Mar 27 at 12:50











Your Answer








StackExchange.ready(function()
var channelOptions =
tags: "".split(" "),
id: "698"
;
initTagRenderer("".split(" "), "".split(" "), channelOptions);

StackExchange.using("externalEditor", function()
// Have to fire editor after snippets, if snippets enabled
if (StackExchange.settings.snippets.snippetsEnabled)
StackExchange.using("snippets", function()
createEditor();
);

else
createEditor();

);

function createEditor()
StackExchange.prepareEditor(
heartbeatType: 'answer',
autoActivateHeartbeat: false,
convertImagesToLinks: false,
noModals: true,
showLowRepImageUploadWarning: true,
reputationToPostImages: null,
bindNavPrevention: true,
postfix: "",
imageUploader:
brandingHtml: "Powered by u003ca class="icon-imgur-white" href="https://imgur.com/"u003eu003c/au003e",
contentPolicyHtml: "User contributions licensed under u003ca href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/"u003ecc by-sa 3.0 with attribution requiredu003c/au003e u003ca href="https://stackoverflow.com/legal/content-policy"u003e(content policy)u003c/au003e",
allowUrls: true
,
noCode: true, onDemand: true,
discardSelector: ".discard-answer"
,immediatelyShowMarkdownHelp:true
);



);













draft saved

draft discarded


















StackExchange.ready(
function ()
StackExchange.openid.initPostLogin('.new-post-login', 'https%3a%2f%2ftezos.stackexchange.com%2fquestions%2f932%2fare-bakers-not-paying-promised-rewards%23new-answer', 'question_page');

);

Post as a guest















Required, but never shown

























2 Answers
2






active

oldest

votes








2 Answers
2






active

oldest

votes









active

oldest

votes






active

oldest

votes









4














I am Axel, the developer behind bakersperformanceindex.com and I hope this tool can help you in reviewing the baking services you're using.



The basic idea behind it was:



  1. delegate the same amount of xtz to baking services, in our case 10xtz

  2. delegate at the very same cycle, in our case at cycle 34

  3. collect and display data in a simple and raw manner

So I delegated 10xtz at cycle 34 to 60 bakers.



There are basically 3 major columns:



  • cycle 34-->n-2

  • cycle n-1

  • cycle n

Each column has 3 sub-columns



  • Rewards

  • ROI

  • Balance

Rewards/ROI/Balance are headers for each column.



Let's take an example: Hayek Lab for the column cycle 34 --> cycle 88 (at this time 27th march 2019, cycle 90 in Tezos Time)



  • Rewards: 0.268

  • ROI: 2.681%

  • Balance 10.268

So between cycle 34 & 88, Hayek Lab had distributed 0.268XTZ of rewards for 10XTZ delegated, which makes a ROI of 2.68% for this period of 54 cycles.



If we annualize with the following figures:



  • Number of cycles in a year: 365/3 = 121.66

  • 121.66/54 = 2.25 (we've baked for 54 cycles in a 121.66 cycles)

  • Annualized return for Hayek Lab: 2.25*2.68%=6.03%

I think numbers are consistent



If we take the figures for cycle 89, we have:



  • Rewards 0.0058

  • ROI: 0.056% (we have a ROI of 0.056% for one cycle)

  • Balance:10.274

This is the balance we have after baking during 55 cycles. The annualized ROI with the ROI at cycle 89: 0.0058*121.66= 6.77%



Figures are once again consistent.



If I do not annualize ROI is because, imagine the baker you choose, for one reason or another, does not distribute the rewards, your annualized ROI is not the same.



I just want to rely on proven figures, all the data displayed is the data we have right now and not plans on the future.



After one year or 121 cycles or at cycle 155, we will have one year data so the ROI will be quite exact.



Few more comments:




  1. If some bakers display 0, is just we did not get any reward from them for various reasons:



    • 10xtz < Minimun Delegated Amount accepted

    • Anonymous delegation not authorized by baker

    • baker is a scam, node not working...


  2. I wish I could delegate 1000 xtz to all baking services at cycle 100. I am trying to convince bakers to get on board.


  3. Many new features are coming, but their development takes time & resources.


  4. You can get in touch with me at bakersperformanceindex@protonmail.com for sharing ideas.






share|improve this answer




















  • 1





    Thanks! Two suggestions. Why not add effective ROI, estimated annual ROI, and some simple FAQ/documentation? :)

    – luchonacho
    Mar 27 at 14:57






  • 1





    You should certainly display annualized figures, call them what you want but otherwise the data cannot be use to compare between baker A and baker B. Also you need to provide gross and net figures because at 10 xtz of delegation the rewards are significantly impacted by transaction fees.

    – Ezy
    Mar 28 at 3:22











  • @Ezy It seems the figures are gross. But I would imagine that's also the one presented in mytezosbaker.

    – luchonacho
    Mar 28 at 9:43















4














I am Axel, the developer behind bakersperformanceindex.com and I hope this tool can help you in reviewing the baking services you're using.



The basic idea behind it was:



  1. delegate the same amount of xtz to baking services, in our case 10xtz

  2. delegate at the very same cycle, in our case at cycle 34

  3. collect and display data in a simple and raw manner

So I delegated 10xtz at cycle 34 to 60 bakers.



There are basically 3 major columns:



  • cycle 34-->n-2

  • cycle n-1

  • cycle n

Each column has 3 sub-columns



  • Rewards

  • ROI

  • Balance

Rewards/ROI/Balance are headers for each column.



Let's take an example: Hayek Lab for the column cycle 34 --> cycle 88 (at this time 27th march 2019, cycle 90 in Tezos Time)



  • Rewards: 0.268

  • ROI: 2.681%

  • Balance 10.268

So between cycle 34 & 88, Hayek Lab had distributed 0.268XTZ of rewards for 10XTZ delegated, which makes a ROI of 2.68% for this period of 54 cycles.



If we annualize with the following figures:



  • Number of cycles in a year: 365/3 = 121.66

  • 121.66/54 = 2.25 (we've baked for 54 cycles in a 121.66 cycles)

  • Annualized return for Hayek Lab: 2.25*2.68%=6.03%

I think numbers are consistent



If we take the figures for cycle 89, we have:



  • Rewards 0.0058

  • ROI: 0.056% (we have a ROI of 0.056% for one cycle)

  • Balance:10.274

This is the balance we have after baking during 55 cycles. The annualized ROI with the ROI at cycle 89: 0.0058*121.66= 6.77%



Figures are once again consistent.



If I do not annualize ROI is because, imagine the baker you choose, for one reason or another, does not distribute the rewards, your annualized ROI is not the same.



I just want to rely on proven figures, all the data displayed is the data we have right now and not plans on the future.



After one year or 121 cycles or at cycle 155, we will have one year data so the ROI will be quite exact.



Few more comments:




  1. If some bakers display 0, is just we did not get any reward from them for various reasons:



    • 10xtz < Minimun Delegated Amount accepted

    • Anonymous delegation not authorized by baker

    • baker is a scam, node not working...


  2. I wish I could delegate 1000 xtz to all baking services at cycle 100. I am trying to convince bakers to get on board.


  3. Many new features are coming, but their development takes time & resources.


  4. You can get in touch with me at bakersperformanceindex@protonmail.com for sharing ideas.






share|improve this answer




















  • 1





    Thanks! Two suggestions. Why not add effective ROI, estimated annual ROI, and some simple FAQ/documentation? :)

    – luchonacho
    Mar 27 at 14:57






  • 1





    You should certainly display annualized figures, call them what you want but otherwise the data cannot be use to compare between baker A and baker B. Also you need to provide gross and net figures because at 10 xtz of delegation the rewards are significantly impacted by transaction fees.

    – Ezy
    Mar 28 at 3:22











  • @Ezy It seems the figures are gross. But I would imagine that's also the one presented in mytezosbaker.

    – luchonacho
    Mar 28 at 9:43













4












4








4







I am Axel, the developer behind bakersperformanceindex.com and I hope this tool can help you in reviewing the baking services you're using.



The basic idea behind it was:



  1. delegate the same amount of xtz to baking services, in our case 10xtz

  2. delegate at the very same cycle, in our case at cycle 34

  3. collect and display data in a simple and raw manner

So I delegated 10xtz at cycle 34 to 60 bakers.



There are basically 3 major columns:



  • cycle 34-->n-2

  • cycle n-1

  • cycle n

Each column has 3 sub-columns



  • Rewards

  • ROI

  • Balance

Rewards/ROI/Balance are headers for each column.



Let's take an example: Hayek Lab for the column cycle 34 --> cycle 88 (at this time 27th march 2019, cycle 90 in Tezos Time)



  • Rewards: 0.268

  • ROI: 2.681%

  • Balance 10.268

So between cycle 34 & 88, Hayek Lab had distributed 0.268XTZ of rewards for 10XTZ delegated, which makes a ROI of 2.68% for this period of 54 cycles.



If we annualize with the following figures:



  • Number of cycles in a year: 365/3 = 121.66

  • 121.66/54 = 2.25 (we've baked for 54 cycles in a 121.66 cycles)

  • Annualized return for Hayek Lab: 2.25*2.68%=6.03%

I think numbers are consistent



If we take the figures for cycle 89, we have:



  • Rewards 0.0058

  • ROI: 0.056% (we have a ROI of 0.056% for one cycle)

  • Balance:10.274

This is the balance we have after baking during 55 cycles. The annualized ROI with the ROI at cycle 89: 0.0058*121.66= 6.77%



Figures are once again consistent.



If I do not annualize ROI is because, imagine the baker you choose, for one reason or another, does not distribute the rewards, your annualized ROI is not the same.



I just want to rely on proven figures, all the data displayed is the data we have right now and not plans on the future.



After one year or 121 cycles or at cycle 155, we will have one year data so the ROI will be quite exact.



Few more comments:




  1. If some bakers display 0, is just we did not get any reward from them for various reasons:



    • 10xtz < Minimun Delegated Amount accepted

    • Anonymous delegation not authorized by baker

    • baker is a scam, node not working...


  2. I wish I could delegate 1000 xtz to all baking services at cycle 100. I am trying to convince bakers to get on board.


  3. Many new features are coming, but their development takes time & resources.


  4. You can get in touch with me at bakersperformanceindex@protonmail.com for sharing ideas.






share|improve this answer















I am Axel, the developer behind bakersperformanceindex.com and I hope this tool can help you in reviewing the baking services you're using.



The basic idea behind it was:



  1. delegate the same amount of xtz to baking services, in our case 10xtz

  2. delegate at the very same cycle, in our case at cycle 34

  3. collect and display data in a simple and raw manner

So I delegated 10xtz at cycle 34 to 60 bakers.



There are basically 3 major columns:



  • cycle 34-->n-2

  • cycle n-1

  • cycle n

Each column has 3 sub-columns



  • Rewards

  • ROI

  • Balance

Rewards/ROI/Balance are headers for each column.



Let's take an example: Hayek Lab for the column cycle 34 --> cycle 88 (at this time 27th march 2019, cycle 90 in Tezos Time)



  • Rewards: 0.268

  • ROI: 2.681%

  • Balance 10.268

So between cycle 34 & 88, Hayek Lab had distributed 0.268XTZ of rewards for 10XTZ delegated, which makes a ROI of 2.68% for this period of 54 cycles.



If we annualize with the following figures:



  • Number of cycles in a year: 365/3 = 121.66

  • 121.66/54 = 2.25 (we've baked for 54 cycles in a 121.66 cycles)

  • Annualized return for Hayek Lab: 2.25*2.68%=6.03%

I think numbers are consistent



If we take the figures for cycle 89, we have:



  • Rewards 0.0058

  • ROI: 0.056% (we have a ROI of 0.056% for one cycle)

  • Balance:10.274

This is the balance we have after baking during 55 cycles. The annualized ROI with the ROI at cycle 89: 0.0058*121.66= 6.77%



Figures are once again consistent.



If I do not annualize ROI is because, imagine the baker you choose, for one reason or another, does not distribute the rewards, your annualized ROI is not the same.



I just want to rely on proven figures, all the data displayed is the data we have right now and not plans on the future.



After one year or 121 cycles or at cycle 155, we will have one year data so the ROI will be quite exact.



Few more comments:




  1. If some bakers display 0, is just we did not get any reward from them for various reasons:



    • 10xtz < Minimun Delegated Amount accepted

    • Anonymous delegation not authorized by baker

    • baker is a scam, node not working...


  2. I wish I could delegate 1000 xtz to all baking services at cycle 100. I am trying to convince bakers to get on board.


  3. Many new features are coming, but their development takes time & resources.


  4. You can get in touch with me at bakersperformanceindex@protonmail.com for sharing ideas.







share|improve this answer














share|improve this answer



share|improve this answer








edited Mar 29 at 3:29









Ezy

3,015633




3,015633










answered Mar 27 at 14:55









AxelAxel

411




411







  • 1





    Thanks! Two suggestions. Why not add effective ROI, estimated annual ROI, and some simple FAQ/documentation? :)

    – luchonacho
    Mar 27 at 14:57






  • 1





    You should certainly display annualized figures, call them what you want but otherwise the data cannot be use to compare between baker A and baker B. Also you need to provide gross and net figures because at 10 xtz of delegation the rewards are significantly impacted by transaction fees.

    – Ezy
    Mar 28 at 3:22











  • @Ezy It seems the figures are gross. But I would imagine that's also the one presented in mytezosbaker.

    – luchonacho
    Mar 28 at 9:43












  • 1





    Thanks! Two suggestions. Why not add effective ROI, estimated annual ROI, and some simple FAQ/documentation? :)

    – luchonacho
    Mar 27 at 14:57






  • 1





    You should certainly display annualized figures, call them what you want but otherwise the data cannot be use to compare between baker A and baker B. Also you need to provide gross and net figures because at 10 xtz of delegation the rewards are significantly impacted by transaction fees.

    – Ezy
    Mar 28 at 3:22











  • @Ezy It seems the figures are gross. But I would imagine that's also the one presented in mytezosbaker.

    – luchonacho
    Mar 28 at 9:43







1




1





Thanks! Two suggestions. Why not add effective ROI, estimated annual ROI, and some simple FAQ/documentation? :)

– luchonacho
Mar 27 at 14:57





Thanks! Two suggestions. Why not add effective ROI, estimated annual ROI, and some simple FAQ/documentation? :)

– luchonacho
Mar 27 at 14:57




1




1





You should certainly display annualized figures, call them what you want but otherwise the data cannot be use to compare between baker A and baker B. Also you need to provide gross and net figures because at 10 xtz of delegation the rewards are significantly impacted by transaction fees.

– Ezy
Mar 28 at 3:22





You should certainly display annualized figures, call them what you want but otherwise the data cannot be use to compare between baker A and baker B. Also you need to provide gross and net figures because at 10 xtz of delegation the rewards are significantly impacted by transaction fees.

– Ezy
Mar 28 at 3:22













@Ezy It seems the figures are gross. But I would imagine that's also the one presented in mytezosbaker.

– luchonacho
Mar 28 at 9:43





@Ezy It seems the figures are gross. But I would imagine that's also the one presented in mytezosbaker.

– luchonacho
Mar 28 at 9:43











1














I believe the period for which the data was collected and presented on this page is not sufficiently long to be representative.



The page states that data on returns was measured between cycle 34 and 88, which is 54 cycles, roughly 160 days or 5.25 months.



In your example, the ROI of 7.1% as estimated by the baker is stated as annual returns, i.e. 12 months, and the ROI on the page thus represents only 44% of this timeframe. Therefore, it seems that after 12 months, the baker will likely reach the estimated ROI. Nothing suspicious here.



As for those bakers with a 0% ROI, I assume that they have not yet been included in this project and data is just missing, though I have not checked that.






share|improve this answer























  • Oh! I thought they were annualised! Interesting. Yes, that then explains the issue. The documentation is non-existent and that should be made clear.

    – luchonacho
    Mar 27 at 11:54












  • If they dont annualize thats bad

    – Ezy
    Mar 27 at 12:50















1














I believe the period for which the data was collected and presented on this page is not sufficiently long to be representative.



The page states that data on returns was measured between cycle 34 and 88, which is 54 cycles, roughly 160 days or 5.25 months.



In your example, the ROI of 7.1% as estimated by the baker is stated as annual returns, i.e. 12 months, and the ROI on the page thus represents only 44% of this timeframe. Therefore, it seems that after 12 months, the baker will likely reach the estimated ROI. Nothing suspicious here.



As for those bakers with a 0% ROI, I assume that they have not yet been included in this project and data is just missing, though I have not checked that.






share|improve this answer























  • Oh! I thought they were annualised! Interesting. Yes, that then explains the issue. The documentation is non-existent and that should be made clear.

    – luchonacho
    Mar 27 at 11:54












  • If they dont annualize thats bad

    – Ezy
    Mar 27 at 12:50













1












1








1







I believe the period for which the data was collected and presented on this page is not sufficiently long to be representative.



The page states that data on returns was measured between cycle 34 and 88, which is 54 cycles, roughly 160 days or 5.25 months.



In your example, the ROI of 7.1% as estimated by the baker is stated as annual returns, i.e. 12 months, and the ROI on the page thus represents only 44% of this timeframe. Therefore, it seems that after 12 months, the baker will likely reach the estimated ROI. Nothing suspicious here.



As for those bakers with a 0% ROI, I assume that they have not yet been included in this project and data is just missing, though I have not checked that.






share|improve this answer













I believe the period for which the data was collected and presented on this page is not sufficiently long to be representative.



The page states that data on returns was measured between cycle 34 and 88, which is 54 cycles, roughly 160 days or 5.25 months.



In your example, the ROI of 7.1% as estimated by the baker is stated as annual returns, i.e. 12 months, and the ROI on the page thus represents only 44% of this timeframe. Therefore, it seems that after 12 months, the baker will likely reach the estimated ROI. Nothing suspicious here.



As for those bakers with a 0% ROI, I assume that they have not yet been included in this project and data is just missing, though I have not checked that.







share|improve this answer












share|improve this answer



share|improve this answer










answered Mar 27 at 11:53









Marc.bMarc.b

527116




527116












  • Oh! I thought they were annualised! Interesting. Yes, that then explains the issue. The documentation is non-existent and that should be made clear.

    – luchonacho
    Mar 27 at 11:54












  • If they dont annualize thats bad

    – Ezy
    Mar 27 at 12:50

















  • Oh! I thought they were annualised! Interesting. Yes, that then explains the issue. The documentation is non-existent and that should be made clear.

    – luchonacho
    Mar 27 at 11:54












  • If they dont annualize thats bad

    – Ezy
    Mar 27 at 12:50
















Oh! I thought they were annualised! Interesting. Yes, that then explains the issue. The documentation is non-existent and that should be made clear.

– luchonacho
Mar 27 at 11:54






Oh! I thought they were annualised! Interesting. Yes, that then explains the issue. The documentation is non-existent and that should be made clear.

– luchonacho
Mar 27 at 11:54














If they dont annualize thats bad

– Ezy
Mar 27 at 12:50





If they dont annualize thats bad

– Ezy
Mar 27 at 12:50

















draft saved

draft discarded
















































Thanks for contributing an answer to Tezos Stack Exchange!


  • Please be sure to answer the question. Provide details and share your research!

But avoid


  • Asking for help, clarification, or responding to other answers.

  • Making statements based on opinion; back them up with references or personal experience.

To learn more, see our tips on writing great answers.




draft saved


draft discarded














StackExchange.ready(
function ()
StackExchange.openid.initPostLogin('.new-post-login', 'https%3a%2f%2ftezos.stackexchange.com%2fquestions%2f932%2fare-bakers-not-paying-promised-rewards%23new-answer', 'question_page');

);

Post as a guest















Required, but never shown





















































Required, but never shown














Required, but never shown












Required, but never shown







Required, but never shown

































Required, but never shown














Required, but never shown












Required, but never shown







Required, but never shown







-baker, rewards

Popular posts from this blog

Frič See also Navigation menuinternal link

Identify plant with long narrow paired leaves and reddish stems Planned maintenance scheduled April 17/18, 2019 at 00:00UTC (8:00pm US/Eastern) Announcing the arrival of Valued Associate #679: Cesar Manara Unicorn Meta Zoo #1: Why another podcast?What is this plant with long sharp leaves? Is it a weed?What is this 3ft high, stalky plant, with mid sized narrow leaves?What is this young shrub with opposite ovate, crenate leaves and reddish stems?What is this plant with large broad serrated leaves?Identify this upright branching weed with long leaves and reddish stemsPlease help me identify this bulbous plant with long, broad leaves and white flowersWhat is this small annual with narrow gray/green leaves and rust colored daisy-type flowers?What is this chilli plant?Does anyone know what type of chilli plant this is?Help identify this plant

fontconfig warning: “/etc/fonts/fonts.conf”, line 100: unknown “element blank” The 2019 Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results Are In“tar: unrecognized option --warning” during 'apt-get install'How to fix Fontconfig errorHow do I figure out which font file is chosen for a system generic font alias?Why are some apt-get-installed fonts being ignored by fc-list, xfontsel, etc?Reload settings in /etc/fonts/conf.dTaking 30 seconds longer to boot after upgrade from jessie to stretchHow to match multiple font names with a single <match> element?Adding a custom font to fontconfigRemoving fonts from fontconfig <match> resultsBroken fonts after upgrading Firefox ESR to latest Firefox