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If a character can use a +X magic weapon as a spellcasting focus, does it add the bonus to spell attacks or spell save DCs?


Can an arcane focus boost spell attack or damage rolls?What is the spell attack bonus and spell save DC of a Thief using the Use Magic Device feature?Can a Bard use Prestidigitation to conjure a musical instrument trinket for their spellcasting focus?Does War Caster allow the use of two wielded items AND the use of your spellcasting focus?Use Magic Weapon Spell to Make a Warlock Pact Weapon?Can I use a hand holding a focus from one class to cover somatic components for a spell from another class?Can a Shadow Weapon be used as Sword College bard’s spellcasting focus?Is it possible to use a weapon as a normal weapon and an arcane focus at the same time?Can a bard use a musical instrument as a spellcasting focus if they aren't proficient with it?If a bard uses a musical instrument as their spellcasting focus, can they add their proficiency bonus to an ability check made as part of a spell?Under what conditions would I NOT add my Proficiency Bonus to a Spell Attack Roll (or Saving Throw DC)?













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My 5e College of Swords bard can use a weapon as a spell focus for their spell casting.



If they have a +1 rapier and cast a spell requiring a spell attack roll, do they get the +1 added to their spell attack bonus? What about spell damage?



Likewise, if they cast a spell requiring a saving throw, do they get the +1 added to the spell's DC?










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    My 5e College of Swords bard can use a weapon as a spell focus for their spell casting.



    If they have a +1 rapier and cast a spell requiring a spell attack roll, do they get the +1 added to their spell attack bonus? What about spell damage?



    Likewise, if they cast a spell requiring a saving throw, do they get the +1 added to the spell's DC?










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      My 5e College of Swords bard can use a weapon as a spell focus for their spell casting.



      If they have a +1 rapier and cast a spell requiring a spell attack roll, do they get the +1 added to their spell attack bonus? What about spell damage?



      Likewise, if they cast a spell requiring a saving throw, do they get the +1 added to the spell's DC?










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      My 5e College of Swords bard can use a weapon as a spell focus for their spell casting.



      If they have a +1 rapier and cast a spell requiring a spell attack roll, do they get the +1 added to their spell attack bonus? What about spell damage?



      Likewise, if they cast a spell requiring a saving throw, do they get the +1 added to the spell's DC?







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          No they do not.



          D&D 5e is a game where things only do what the rules covering them say they do. Magic items each have their own description and they only do what that description specifically says, nothing more, unless there is another general rule somewhere covering their use. Also, a rule is not repeated if there is already a general rule that covers it; at most, there will be a reference to the general rule to avoid the possibility of unintended contradictions.



          The description for +1, +2, or +3 weapons says:




          You have a bonus to attack and damage rolls made with this magic weapon. The bonus is determined by the weapon's rarity. (DMG p.213)




          So a longsword +1 grants a +1 bonus to attack and damage rolls, that's all. There is no rule anywhere else in the game that says anything like "The attack and damage bonus for a magic item will also apply to spell attacks and spell damage if the item can be used as a casting focus".



          If there is still any confusion as to whether "bonus to attack and damage" includes spell attack and spell damage rolls we can look at other items that specifically state that this is the case. For example the Staff of the Magi:




          This staff can be wielded as a magic quarterstaff that grants a +2 bonus to attack and damage rolls made with it. While you hold it, you gain a +2 bonus to spell attack rolls. (DMG p.203)




          As you can see it clearly differentiates between can be wielded as a magic quarterstaff that grants a +2 bonus to attack and damage rolls and you gain a +2 bonus to spell attack rolls in the description. If the +2 bonus to attack and damage rolls applied to spell attack rolls as a general rule the description would not have included the specific rule about spell attack rolls.



          This is also the case for other magic items. For instance magic shields where the bonus only applies to AC, not to anything else:




          While holding this shield, you have a bonus to AC determined by the shield's rarity. This bonus is in addition to the shield's normal bonus to AC. (DMG p.200)




          Even if it has a cleric's holy symbol emblazoned on it and is used as a Holy Symbol to cast spells the bonus only applies to what it says it does, to AC.



          In case it is thought that this is not a deliberate and thought out rule/description for the Staff of the Magi, other items follow the same pattern. The Staff of the Woodlands, for instance, also specifically states that it has a +2 bonus to spell attack rolls in addition to the +2 bonus to attack and damage when wielded as a magic quarterstaff:




          This staff can be wielded as a magic quarterstaff that grants a +2 bonus to attack and damage rolls made with it. While holding it, you have a +2 bonus to spell attack rolls. (DMG p.204)




          The Rod of the Pact Keeper goes the other way:




          While holding this rod, you gain a bonus to spell attack roils and to the saving throw DCs of your warlock spells. (DMG p.197)




          It does not add to attack or damage rolls when used as a club, as it does not say it does. In fact, RAW, it is not a magic weapon at all, e.g. for the case where it is used against creatures with resistance to non-magical weapon's damage.






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          No they do not.



          D&D 5e is a game where things only do what the rules covering them say they do. Magic items each have their own description and they only do what that description specifically says, nothing more, unless there is another general rule somewhere covering their use. Also, a rule is not repeated if there is already a general rule that covers it; at most, there will be a reference to the general rule to avoid the possibility of unintended contradictions.



          The description for +1, +2, or +3 weapons says:




          You have a bonus to attack and damage rolls made with this magic weapon. The bonus is determined by the weapon's rarity. (DMG p.213)




          So a longsword +1 grants a +1 bonus to attack and damage rolls, that's all. There is no rule anywhere else in the game that says anything like "The attack and damage bonus for a magic item will also apply to spell attacks and spell damage if the item can be used as a casting focus".



          If there is still any confusion as to whether "bonus to attack and damage" includes spell attack and spell damage rolls we can look at other items that specifically state that this is the case. For example the Staff of the Magi:




          This staff can be wielded as a magic quarterstaff that grants a +2 bonus to attack and damage rolls made with it. While you hold it, you gain a +2 bonus to spell attack rolls. (DMG p.203)




          As you can see it clearly differentiates between can be wielded as a magic quarterstaff that grants a +2 bonus to attack and damage rolls and you gain a +2 bonus to spell attack rolls in the description. If the +2 bonus to attack and damage rolls applied to spell attack rolls as a general rule the description would not have included the specific rule about spell attack rolls.



          This is also the case for other magic items. For instance magic shields where the bonus only applies to AC, not to anything else:




          While holding this shield, you have a bonus to AC determined by the shield's rarity. This bonus is in addition to the shield's normal bonus to AC. (DMG p.200)




          Even if it has a cleric's holy symbol emblazoned on it and is used as a Holy Symbol to cast spells the bonus only applies to what it says it does, to AC.



          In case it is thought that this is not a deliberate and thought out rule/description for the Staff of the Magi, other items follow the same pattern. The Staff of the Woodlands, for instance, also specifically states that it has a +2 bonus to spell attack rolls in addition to the +2 bonus to attack and damage when wielded as a magic quarterstaff:




          This staff can be wielded as a magic quarterstaff that grants a +2 bonus to attack and damage rolls made with it. While holding it, you have a +2 bonus to spell attack rolls. (DMG p.204)




          The Rod of the Pact Keeper goes the other way:




          While holding this rod, you gain a bonus to spell attack roils and to the saving throw DCs of your warlock spells. (DMG p.197)




          It does not add to attack or damage rolls when used as a club, as it does not say it does. In fact, RAW, it is not a magic weapon at all, e.g. for the case where it is used against creatures with resistance to non-magical weapon's damage.






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            I tweaked your edit a bit to remove the titles in the quote blocks (since you mention them in your body text already) and the unnecessary rarity and attunement info. That means I also moved the citation to the end. Feel free to revert, but I think the answer flows and looks much better now. (which is really important for a long answer especially I think).
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          No they do not.



          D&D 5e is a game where things only do what the rules covering them say they do. Magic items each have their own description and they only do what that description specifically says, nothing more, unless there is another general rule somewhere covering their use. Also, a rule is not repeated if there is already a general rule that covers it; at most, there will be a reference to the general rule to avoid the possibility of unintended contradictions.



          The description for +1, +2, or +3 weapons says:




          You have a bonus to attack and damage rolls made with this magic weapon. The bonus is determined by the weapon's rarity. (DMG p.213)




          So a longsword +1 grants a +1 bonus to attack and damage rolls, that's all. There is no rule anywhere else in the game that says anything like "The attack and damage bonus for a magic item will also apply to spell attacks and spell damage if the item can be used as a casting focus".



          If there is still any confusion as to whether "bonus to attack and damage" includes spell attack and spell damage rolls we can look at other items that specifically state that this is the case. For example the Staff of the Magi:




          This staff can be wielded as a magic quarterstaff that grants a +2 bonus to attack and damage rolls made with it. While you hold it, you gain a +2 bonus to spell attack rolls. (DMG p.203)




          As you can see it clearly differentiates between can be wielded as a magic quarterstaff that grants a +2 bonus to attack and damage rolls and you gain a +2 bonus to spell attack rolls in the description. If the +2 bonus to attack and damage rolls applied to spell attack rolls as a general rule the description would not have included the specific rule about spell attack rolls.



          This is also the case for other magic items. For instance magic shields where the bonus only applies to AC, not to anything else:




          While holding this shield, you have a bonus to AC determined by the shield's rarity. This bonus is in addition to the shield's normal bonus to AC. (DMG p.200)




          Even if it has a cleric's holy symbol emblazoned on it and is used as a Holy Symbol to cast spells the bonus only applies to what it says it does, to AC.



          In case it is thought that this is not a deliberate and thought out rule/description for the Staff of the Magi, other items follow the same pattern. The Staff of the Woodlands, for instance, also specifically states that it has a +2 bonus to spell attack rolls in addition to the +2 bonus to attack and damage when wielded as a magic quarterstaff:




          This staff can be wielded as a magic quarterstaff that grants a +2 bonus to attack and damage rolls made with it. While holding it, you have a +2 bonus to spell attack rolls. (DMG p.204)




          The Rod of the Pact Keeper goes the other way:




          While holding this rod, you gain a bonus to spell attack roils and to the saving throw DCs of your warlock spells. (DMG p.197)




          It does not add to attack or damage rolls when used as a club, as it does not say it does. In fact, RAW, it is not a magic weapon at all, e.g. for the case where it is used against creatures with resistance to non-magical weapon's damage.






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            I tweaked your edit a bit to remove the titles in the quote blocks (since you mention them in your body text already) and the unnecessary rarity and attunement info. That means I also moved the citation to the end. Feel free to revert, but I think the answer flows and looks much better now. (which is really important for a long answer especially I think).
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          No they do not.



          D&D 5e is a game where things only do what the rules covering them say they do. Magic items each have their own description and they only do what that description specifically says, nothing more, unless there is another general rule somewhere covering their use. Also, a rule is not repeated if there is already a general rule that covers it; at most, there will be a reference to the general rule to avoid the possibility of unintended contradictions.



          The description for +1, +2, or +3 weapons says:




          You have a bonus to attack and damage rolls made with this magic weapon. The bonus is determined by the weapon's rarity. (DMG p.213)




          So a longsword +1 grants a +1 bonus to attack and damage rolls, that's all. There is no rule anywhere else in the game that says anything like "The attack and damage bonus for a magic item will also apply to spell attacks and spell damage if the item can be used as a casting focus".



          If there is still any confusion as to whether "bonus to attack and damage" includes spell attack and spell damage rolls we can look at other items that specifically state that this is the case. For example the Staff of the Magi:




          This staff can be wielded as a magic quarterstaff that grants a +2 bonus to attack and damage rolls made with it. While you hold it, you gain a +2 bonus to spell attack rolls. (DMG p.203)




          As you can see it clearly differentiates between can be wielded as a magic quarterstaff that grants a +2 bonus to attack and damage rolls and you gain a +2 bonus to spell attack rolls in the description. If the +2 bonus to attack and damage rolls applied to spell attack rolls as a general rule the description would not have included the specific rule about spell attack rolls.



          This is also the case for other magic items. For instance magic shields where the bonus only applies to AC, not to anything else:




          While holding this shield, you have a bonus to AC determined by the shield's rarity. This bonus is in addition to the shield's normal bonus to AC. (DMG p.200)




          Even if it has a cleric's holy symbol emblazoned on it and is used as a Holy Symbol to cast spells the bonus only applies to what it says it does, to AC.



          In case it is thought that this is not a deliberate and thought out rule/description for the Staff of the Magi, other items follow the same pattern. The Staff of the Woodlands, for instance, also specifically states that it has a +2 bonus to spell attack rolls in addition to the +2 bonus to attack and damage when wielded as a magic quarterstaff:




          This staff can be wielded as a magic quarterstaff that grants a +2 bonus to attack and damage rolls made with it. While holding it, you have a +2 bonus to spell attack rolls. (DMG p.204)




          The Rod of the Pact Keeper goes the other way:




          While holding this rod, you gain a bonus to spell attack roils and to the saving throw DCs of your warlock spells. (DMG p.197)




          It does not add to attack or damage rolls when used as a club, as it does not say it does. In fact, RAW, it is not a magic weapon at all, e.g. for the case where it is used against creatures with resistance to non-magical weapon's damage.






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          No they do not.



          D&D 5e is a game where things only do what the rules covering them say they do. Magic items each have their own description and they only do what that description specifically says, nothing more, unless there is another general rule somewhere covering their use. Also, a rule is not repeated if there is already a general rule that covers it; at most, there will be a reference to the general rule to avoid the possibility of unintended contradictions.



          The description for +1, +2, or +3 weapons says:




          You have a bonus to attack and damage rolls made with this magic weapon. The bonus is determined by the weapon's rarity. (DMG p.213)




          So a longsword +1 grants a +1 bonus to attack and damage rolls, that's all. There is no rule anywhere else in the game that says anything like "The attack and damage bonus for a magic item will also apply to spell attacks and spell damage if the item can be used as a casting focus".



          If there is still any confusion as to whether "bonus to attack and damage" includes spell attack and spell damage rolls we can look at other items that specifically state that this is the case. For example the Staff of the Magi:




          This staff can be wielded as a magic quarterstaff that grants a +2 bonus to attack and damage rolls made with it. While you hold it, you gain a +2 bonus to spell attack rolls. (DMG p.203)




          As you can see it clearly differentiates between can be wielded as a magic quarterstaff that grants a +2 bonus to attack and damage rolls and you gain a +2 bonus to spell attack rolls in the description. If the +2 bonus to attack and damage rolls applied to spell attack rolls as a general rule the description would not have included the specific rule about spell attack rolls.



          This is also the case for other magic items. For instance magic shields where the bonus only applies to AC, not to anything else:




          While holding this shield, you have a bonus to AC determined by the shield's rarity. This bonus is in addition to the shield's normal bonus to AC. (DMG p.200)




          Even if it has a cleric's holy symbol emblazoned on it and is used as a Holy Symbol to cast spells the bonus only applies to what it says it does, to AC.



          In case it is thought that this is not a deliberate and thought out rule/description for the Staff of the Magi, other items follow the same pattern. The Staff of the Woodlands, for instance, also specifically states that it has a +2 bonus to spell attack rolls in addition to the +2 bonus to attack and damage when wielded as a magic quarterstaff:




          This staff can be wielded as a magic quarterstaff that grants a +2 bonus to attack and damage rolls made with it. While holding it, you have a +2 bonus to spell attack rolls. (DMG p.204)




          The Rod of the Pact Keeper goes the other way:




          While holding this rod, you gain a bonus to spell attack roils and to the saving throw DCs of your warlock spells. (DMG p.197)




          It does not add to attack or damage rolls when used as a club, as it does not say it does. In fact, RAW, it is not a magic weapon at all, e.g. for the case where it is used against creatures with resistance to non-magical weapon's damage.







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            I tweaked your edit a bit to remove the titles in the quote blocks (since you mention them in your body text already) and the unnecessary rarity and attunement info. That means I also moved the citation to the end. Feel free to revert, but I think the answer flows and looks much better now. (which is really important for a long answer especially I think).
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            Can you be explicit about your use of "exceptio probat regulam in casibus non exceptis" (the existence of exceptions implies there is a general rule that they are in exception of)? I think it would improve your answer.
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          I tweaked your edit a bit to remove the titles in the quote blocks (since you mention them in your body text already) and the unnecessary rarity and attunement info. That means I also moved the citation to the end. Feel free to revert, but I think the answer flows and looks much better now. (which is really important for a long answer especially I think).
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          Can you be explicit about your use of "exceptio probat regulam in casibus non exceptis" (the existence of exceptions implies there is a general rule that they are in exception of)? I think it would improve your answer.
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          @Rubiksmoose no - that looks good, thank you.
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          @Rubiksmoose no - that looks good, thank you.
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          @Yakk I've edited the answer to be more explicit as you say. Does that fit the bill?
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          @Yakk I've edited the answer to be more explicit as you say. Does that fit the bill?
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