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Can infinity be divided by anything?
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I'm in ninth grade and I've been thinking about this for a while. It's related to a question that came to my mind, namely which is the highest number you can divide 11 by. Is "infinite" a number and is it the highest number by which 11 can divide it?
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I'm in ninth grade and I've been thinking about this for a while. It's related to a question that came to my mind, namely which is the highest number you can divide 11 by. Is "infinite" a number and is it the highest number by which 11 can divide it?
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Infinity is not a number.
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@SeanRoberson What is a number for you to be saying that?
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@user647486 Care to justify your statement?
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There is an arithmetic for the extended real numbers (real numbers with $pminfty.$) You can see its arithmetic here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/….
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Your title asks about dividing infinity by a number, then in your question you start out asking about dividing eleven by something, then you go back to dividing something by eleven. Dividing something by eleven and dividing eleven by something are very different, and you need to more clearly distinguish between the two.
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I'm in ninth grade and I've been thinking about this for a while. It's related to a question that came to my mind, namely which is the highest number you can divide 11 by. Is "infinite" a number and is it the highest number by which 11 can divide it?
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I'm in ninth grade and I've been thinking about this for a while. It's related to a question that came to my mind, namely which is the highest number you can divide 11 by. Is "infinite" a number and is it the highest number by which 11 can divide it?
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Infinity is not a number.
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@SeanRoberson What is a number for you to be saying that?
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@user647486 Care to justify your statement?
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There is an arithmetic for the extended real numbers (real numbers with $pminfty.$) You can see its arithmetic here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/….
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Your title asks about dividing infinity by a number, then in your question you start out asking about dividing eleven by something, then you go back to dividing something by eleven. Dividing something by eleven and dividing eleven by something are very different, and you need to more clearly distinguish between the two.
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Infinity is not a number.
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– Sean Roberson
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@SeanRoberson What is a number for you to be saying that?
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– user647486
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@user647486 Care to justify your statement?
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– QuantumPenguin
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There is an arithmetic for the extended real numbers (real numbers with $pminfty.$) You can see its arithmetic here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/….
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– Adrian Keister
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Your title asks about dividing infinity by a number, then in your question you start out asking about dividing eleven by something, then you go back to dividing something by eleven. Dividing something by eleven and dividing eleven by something are very different, and you need to more clearly distinguish between the two.
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Infinity is not a number.
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– Sean Roberson
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Infinity is not a number.
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@SeanRoberson What is a number for you to be saying that?
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@SeanRoberson What is a number for you to be saying that?
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@user647486 Care to justify your statement?
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@user647486 Care to justify your statement?
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There is an arithmetic for the extended real numbers (real numbers with $pminfty.$) You can see its arithmetic here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/….
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– Adrian Keister
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There is an arithmetic for the extended real numbers (real numbers with $pminfty.$) You can see its arithmetic here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/….
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Your title asks about dividing infinity by a number, then in your question you start out asking about dividing eleven by something, then you go back to dividing something by eleven. Dividing something by eleven and dividing eleven by something are very different, and you need to more clearly distinguish between the two.
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– Acccumulation
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Your title asks about dividing infinity by a number, then in your question you start out asking about dividing eleven by something, then you go back to dividing something by eleven. Dividing something by eleven and dividing eleven by something are very different, and you need to more clearly distinguish between the two.
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Thinking and playing with infinity is a popular thing to do, especially for people your age. To do so correctly however, you need to understand what we actually mean by infinity and what we mean by a "number."
Note: For the remainder of this post, by "division" and "divided by" I will be referring to the usual division operator rather than the related concepts from number theory.
Infinity is not a "real number" (that is not to say it doesn't exist in some contexts, but it does not belong to the set of numbers known as 'the real numbers') so we are not even allowed to refer to operations involving infinity. It just flat out doesn't make sense in this context. There is no largest "real number" and so there is no "highest (real) number" that $11$ can be divided by.
Since you are talking about "dividing by infinity" then you are probably working in the extended real numbers rather than the real numbers. In such a context, yes infinity is the "largest" extended real number and $11$ can indeed be divided by it. In fact, every real number when treated as an extended real number instead can be divided by infinty and the result would be zero. In that context, yes... you are correct.
The extended real numbers however is not the usual context to be working in. If the question was asked "does there exist a largest number that $11$ can be divided by" without any additional clarification about context then the answer would be no.
(Note: infinity and negative infinity can not be divided by infinity)
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The number $11$ can be divided by anything - real or complex. If you mean what is the greatest integer - $x$ - such that
$$11equiv 0modx$$
In other words, $11$ divided by $x$ leaves no remainder or fractional part, then the solution would be $x=11$.
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small suggestion : you may want to rewrite11 ≡ 0 mod x, OP may not understand that notation (at least I wouldn't on 9th grade)
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This was getting too long for a comment, but it isn't really an answer - more an encouragement to hang in there with the kind of question you are asking.
The question "what is a number?" has caused many mathematicians to reflect on the basic material they work with and how it is defined. It leads to rich and fundamental questions about the foundation of mathematics.
Combined with geometric insights we can extend familiar numbers/systems to obtain projective spaces or the Riemann Sphere, both of which accommodate notions of infinity.
Algebraically it leads to reflection on what properties we expect our numbers to have, and the kinds of mathematical objects which have those properties.
And you might want to look up Cantor's diagonal argument and reflection on how infinite sets don't always behave in accord with our intuition. (An infinite set can be put in one-to-one correspondence with a proper subset of itself - we can match the integers with the even integers by pairing $n$ with $2n$)
It is possible to create systems of numbers in which the existence of infinite numbers is consistent with arithmetical operations - JH Conway's "Surreal Numbers" are an example.
To return a bit to the question:
If you are working with non-negative integers, then there is no infinite integer, and you can't divide by something which doesn't exist.
If you were working within the rational numbers (fractions), you could divide by any rational number (including any integer) except for zero. That would give you a valid fraction as an answer.
The non-negative integers and the rational numbers are systems of numbers which are carefully constructed to obey clearly stated rules - the need for careful definition arises because of the kind of question you are asking.
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+1. Your answer has the flavor of an encouragement. If you want to encourage the asker then you may also consider "liking" the question. [I am always amazed when several people give very long answers to a question that they do not "like." So far, I am the only person who has "liked" (+1d) the question.]
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Julia thinks ∞ is evenly divisible by everything. Julia got ∞ by Π ℙ = ∞ (that is, the product of all prime numbers).
Anna thinks ∞ is evenly divisible by only by 1. Anna got ∞ by Π ℙ + 1 = ∞ (that is, one more than the product of all prime numbers).
∞ is not a number. Trying to treat it like one will eventually cause a headache.
(If you're having trouble getting the reference, there was this famous question I cannot find anymore that had five students giving five different answers to a "what is the next number in this sequence" question using five different fourth order polynomials.)
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It all depends on the defintions of $infty$, "number" and "divides".
I will assume that you're asked what is the greatest integer number dividing 11 then basically in any sensible interpretation of words $infty$, "integer number" and "divides" the answer to your question will be "11". As far as I know, $infty$ is always interpreted distinct from the usual numbers (by usual I mean real numbers) (including integers), that is, you have an axiom (or a theorem)
$$forall x in mathbbZ , x neq infty.$$ Hence $infty$ could not possibly be the greatest integer number dividing 11 since it then would be an integer contradicting this axiom (or a theorem, whatever you wanna call it)
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It is really great to be thinking of stuff like this.
You will find people all around you who will say infinity is not a number and they will stop there, but there are a set of math classes in your future (Calculus) that are all about dealing with numbers that are virtually infinite--they call them limits.
All those people who say that it's absolutely impossible to deal with infinity will find it perfectly fine to deal with "x as x approaches infinity" and you get the same results you would intuit for infinity (Division by infinity is still a bit tricky if I recall correctly)
Anyway, if you have ever noticed that math is often about describing things, calculus is how you describe strange (arbitrary) curves and such--Exactly how much water fits into your strangely shaped sink, or how long will it take to drain said water since the speed it drains is slower as there is less water in the sink.
This kind of thing is calculated by slicing up curves into infinitely (Approaching infinite anyway) thin slices and adding the slices together to get an exact result.
(PS, I haven't done much calculus in decades, if this is factually wrong please feel free to fix it rather than just blindly downvoting. Thanks)
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Thinking and playing with infinity is a popular thing to do, especially for people your age. To do so correctly however, you need to understand what we actually mean by infinity and what we mean by a "number."
Note: For the remainder of this post, by "division" and "divided by" I will be referring to the usual division operator rather than the related concepts from number theory.
Infinity is not a "real number" (that is not to say it doesn't exist in some contexts, but it does not belong to the set of numbers known as 'the real numbers') so we are not even allowed to refer to operations involving infinity. It just flat out doesn't make sense in this context. There is no largest "real number" and so there is no "highest (real) number" that $11$ can be divided by.
Since you are talking about "dividing by infinity" then you are probably working in the extended real numbers rather than the real numbers. In such a context, yes infinity is the "largest" extended real number and $11$ can indeed be divided by it. In fact, every real number when treated as an extended real number instead can be divided by infinty and the result would be zero. In that context, yes... you are correct.
The extended real numbers however is not the usual context to be working in. If the question was asked "does there exist a largest number that $11$ can be divided by" without any additional clarification about context then the answer would be no.
(Note: infinity and negative infinity can not be divided by infinity)
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Thinking and playing with infinity is a popular thing to do, especially for people your age. To do so correctly however, you need to understand what we actually mean by infinity and what we mean by a "number."
Note: For the remainder of this post, by "division" and "divided by" I will be referring to the usual division operator rather than the related concepts from number theory.
Infinity is not a "real number" (that is not to say it doesn't exist in some contexts, but it does not belong to the set of numbers known as 'the real numbers') so we are not even allowed to refer to operations involving infinity. It just flat out doesn't make sense in this context. There is no largest "real number" and so there is no "highest (real) number" that $11$ can be divided by.
Since you are talking about "dividing by infinity" then you are probably working in the extended real numbers rather than the real numbers. In such a context, yes infinity is the "largest" extended real number and $11$ can indeed be divided by it. In fact, every real number when treated as an extended real number instead can be divided by infinty and the result would be zero. In that context, yes... you are correct.
The extended real numbers however is not the usual context to be working in. If the question was asked "does there exist a largest number that $11$ can be divided by" without any additional clarification about context then the answer would be no.
(Note: infinity and negative infinity can not be divided by infinity)
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Thinking and playing with infinity is a popular thing to do, especially for people your age. To do so correctly however, you need to understand what we actually mean by infinity and what we mean by a "number."
Note: For the remainder of this post, by "division" and "divided by" I will be referring to the usual division operator rather than the related concepts from number theory.
Infinity is not a "real number" (that is not to say it doesn't exist in some contexts, but it does not belong to the set of numbers known as 'the real numbers') so we are not even allowed to refer to operations involving infinity. It just flat out doesn't make sense in this context. There is no largest "real number" and so there is no "highest (real) number" that $11$ can be divided by.
Since you are talking about "dividing by infinity" then you are probably working in the extended real numbers rather than the real numbers. In such a context, yes infinity is the "largest" extended real number and $11$ can indeed be divided by it. In fact, every real number when treated as an extended real number instead can be divided by infinty and the result would be zero. In that context, yes... you are correct.
The extended real numbers however is not the usual context to be working in. If the question was asked "does there exist a largest number that $11$ can be divided by" without any additional clarification about context then the answer would be no.
(Note: infinity and negative infinity can not be divided by infinity)
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Thinking and playing with infinity is a popular thing to do, especially for people your age. To do so correctly however, you need to understand what we actually mean by infinity and what we mean by a "number."
Note: For the remainder of this post, by "division" and "divided by" I will be referring to the usual division operator rather than the related concepts from number theory.
Infinity is not a "real number" (that is not to say it doesn't exist in some contexts, but it does not belong to the set of numbers known as 'the real numbers') so we are not even allowed to refer to operations involving infinity. It just flat out doesn't make sense in this context. There is no largest "real number" and so there is no "highest (real) number" that $11$ can be divided by.
Since you are talking about "dividing by infinity" then you are probably working in the extended real numbers rather than the real numbers. In such a context, yes infinity is the "largest" extended real number and $11$ can indeed be divided by it. In fact, every real number when treated as an extended real number instead can be divided by infinty and the result would be zero. In that context, yes... you are correct.
The extended real numbers however is not the usual context to be working in. If the question was asked "does there exist a largest number that $11$ can be divided by" without any additional clarification about context then the answer would be no.
(Note: infinity and negative infinity can not be divided by infinity)
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The number $11$ can be divided by anything - real or complex. If you mean what is the greatest integer - $x$ - such that
$$11equiv 0modx$$
In other words, $11$ divided by $x$ leaves no remainder or fractional part, then the solution would be $x=11$.
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small suggestion : you may want to rewrite11 ≡ 0 mod x, OP may not understand that notation (at least I wouldn't on 9th grade)
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The number $11$ can be divided by anything - real or complex. If you mean what is the greatest integer - $x$ - such that
$$11equiv 0modx$$
In other words, $11$ divided by $x$ leaves no remainder or fractional part, then the solution would be $x=11$.
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small suggestion : you may want to rewrite11 ≡ 0 mod x, OP may not understand that notation (at least I wouldn't on 9th grade)
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The number $11$ can be divided by anything - real or complex. If you mean what is the greatest integer - $x$ - such that
$$11equiv 0modx$$
In other words, $11$ divided by $x$ leaves no remainder or fractional part, then the solution would be $x=11$.
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The number $11$ can be divided by anything - real or complex. If you mean what is the greatest integer - $x$ - such that
$$11equiv 0modx$$
In other words, $11$ divided by $x$ leaves no remainder or fractional part, then the solution would be $x=11$.
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small suggestion : you may want to rewrite11 ≡ 0 mod x, OP may not understand that notation (at least I wouldn't on 9th grade)
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This was getting too long for a comment, but it isn't really an answer - more an encouragement to hang in there with the kind of question you are asking.
The question "what is a number?" has caused many mathematicians to reflect on the basic material they work with and how it is defined. It leads to rich and fundamental questions about the foundation of mathematics.
Combined with geometric insights we can extend familiar numbers/systems to obtain projective spaces or the Riemann Sphere, both of which accommodate notions of infinity.
Algebraically it leads to reflection on what properties we expect our numbers to have, and the kinds of mathematical objects which have those properties.
And you might want to look up Cantor's diagonal argument and reflection on how infinite sets don't always behave in accord with our intuition. (An infinite set can be put in one-to-one correspondence with a proper subset of itself - we can match the integers with the even integers by pairing $n$ with $2n$)
It is possible to create systems of numbers in which the existence of infinite numbers is consistent with arithmetical operations - JH Conway's "Surreal Numbers" are an example.
To return a bit to the question:
If you are working with non-negative integers, then there is no infinite integer, and you can't divide by something which doesn't exist.
If you were working within the rational numbers (fractions), you could divide by any rational number (including any integer) except for zero. That would give you a valid fraction as an answer.
The non-negative integers and the rational numbers are systems of numbers which are carefully constructed to obey clearly stated rules - the need for careful definition arises because of the kind of question you are asking.
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+1. Your answer has the flavor of an encouragement. If you want to encourage the asker then you may also consider "liking" the question. [I am always amazed when several people give very long answers to a question that they do not "like." So far, I am the only person who has "liked" (+1d) the question.]
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– Michael
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PS: In the comment trail of the question, my son wrote his comment using my account name "Michael." I encouraged him to look at the question because I thought he would appreciate it.
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This was getting too long for a comment, but it isn't really an answer - more an encouragement to hang in there with the kind of question you are asking.
The question "what is a number?" has caused many mathematicians to reflect on the basic material they work with and how it is defined. It leads to rich and fundamental questions about the foundation of mathematics.
Combined with geometric insights we can extend familiar numbers/systems to obtain projective spaces or the Riemann Sphere, both of which accommodate notions of infinity.
Algebraically it leads to reflection on what properties we expect our numbers to have, and the kinds of mathematical objects which have those properties.
And you might want to look up Cantor's diagonal argument and reflection on how infinite sets don't always behave in accord with our intuition. (An infinite set can be put in one-to-one correspondence with a proper subset of itself - we can match the integers with the even integers by pairing $n$ with $2n$)
It is possible to create systems of numbers in which the existence of infinite numbers is consistent with arithmetical operations - JH Conway's "Surreal Numbers" are an example.
To return a bit to the question:
If you are working with non-negative integers, then there is no infinite integer, and you can't divide by something which doesn't exist.
If you were working within the rational numbers (fractions), you could divide by any rational number (including any integer) except for zero. That would give you a valid fraction as an answer.
The non-negative integers and the rational numbers are systems of numbers which are carefully constructed to obey clearly stated rules - the need for careful definition arises because of the kind of question you are asking.
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+1. Your answer has the flavor of an encouragement. If you want to encourage the asker then you may also consider "liking" the question. [I am always amazed when several people give very long answers to a question that they do not "like." So far, I am the only person who has "liked" (+1d) the question.]
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– Michael
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PS: In the comment trail of the question, my son wrote his comment using my account name "Michael." I encouraged him to look at the question because I thought he would appreciate it.
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This was getting too long for a comment, but it isn't really an answer - more an encouragement to hang in there with the kind of question you are asking.
The question "what is a number?" has caused many mathematicians to reflect on the basic material they work with and how it is defined. It leads to rich and fundamental questions about the foundation of mathematics.
Combined with geometric insights we can extend familiar numbers/systems to obtain projective spaces or the Riemann Sphere, both of which accommodate notions of infinity.
Algebraically it leads to reflection on what properties we expect our numbers to have, and the kinds of mathematical objects which have those properties.
And you might want to look up Cantor's diagonal argument and reflection on how infinite sets don't always behave in accord with our intuition. (An infinite set can be put in one-to-one correspondence with a proper subset of itself - we can match the integers with the even integers by pairing $n$ with $2n$)
It is possible to create systems of numbers in which the existence of infinite numbers is consistent with arithmetical operations - JH Conway's "Surreal Numbers" are an example.
To return a bit to the question:
If you are working with non-negative integers, then there is no infinite integer, and you can't divide by something which doesn't exist.
If you were working within the rational numbers (fractions), you could divide by any rational number (including any integer) except for zero. That would give you a valid fraction as an answer.
The non-negative integers and the rational numbers are systems of numbers which are carefully constructed to obey clearly stated rules - the need for careful definition arises because of the kind of question you are asking.
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This was getting too long for a comment, but it isn't really an answer - more an encouragement to hang in there with the kind of question you are asking.
The question "what is a number?" has caused many mathematicians to reflect on the basic material they work with and how it is defined. It leads to rich and fundamental questions about the foundation of mathematics.
Combined with geometric insights we can extend familiar numbers/systems to obtain projective spaces or the Riemann Sphere, both of which accommodate notions of infinity.
Algebraically it leads to reflection on what properties we expect our numbers to have, and the kinds of mathematical objects which have those properties.
And you might want to look up Cantor's diagonal argument and reflection on how infinite sets don't always behave in accord with our intuition. (An infinite set can be put in one-to-one correspondence with a proper subset of itself - we can match the integers with the even integers by pairing $n$ with $2n$)
It is possible to create systems of numbers in which the existence of infinite numbers is consistent with arithmetical operations - JH Conway's "Surreal Numbers" are an example.
To return a bit to the question:
If you are working with non-negative integers, then there is no infinite integer, and you can't divide by something which doesn't exist.
If you were working within the rational numbers (fractions), you could divide by any rational number (including any integer) except for zero. That would give you a valid fraction as an answer.
The non-negative integers and the rational numbers are systems of numbers which are carefully constructed to obey clearly stated rules - the need for careful definition arises because of the kind of question you are asking.
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+1. Your answer has the flavor of an encouragement. If you want to encourage the asker then you may also consider "liking" the question. [I am always amazed when several people give very long answers to a question that they do not "like." So far, I am the only person who has "liked" (+1d) the question.]
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– Michael
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PS: In the comment trail of the question, my son wrote his comment using my account name "Michael." I encouraged him to look at the question because I thought he would appreciate it.
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+1. Your answer has the flavor of an encouragement. If you want to encourage the asker then you may also consider "liking" the question. [I am always amazed when several people give very long answers to a question that they do not "like." So far, I am the only person who has "liked" (+1d) the question.]
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– Michael
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PS: In the comment trail of the question, my son wrote his comment using my account name "Michael." I encouraged him to look at the question because I thought he would appreciate it.
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– Michael
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+1. Your answer has the flavor of an encouragement. If you want to encourage the asker then you may also consider "liking" the question. [I am always amazed when several people give very long answers to a question that they do not "like." So far, I am the only person who has "liked" (+1d) the question.]
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– Michael
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+1. Your answer has the flavor of an encouragement. If you want to encourage the asker then you may also consider "liking" the question. [I am always amazed when several people give very long answers to a question that they do not "like." So far, I am the only person who has "liked" (+1d) the question.]
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– Michael
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PS: In the comment trail of the question, my son wrote his comment using my account name "Michael." I encouraged him to look at the question because I thought he would appreciate it.
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– Michael
yesterday
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PS: In the comment trail of the question, my son wrote his comment using my account name "Michael." I encouraged him to look at the question because I thought he would appreciate it.
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Julia thinks ∞ is evenly divisible by everything. Julia got ∞ by Π ℙ = ∞ (that is, the product of all prime numbers).
Anna thinks ∞ is evenly divisible by only by 1. Anna got ∞ by Π ℙ + 1 = ∞ (that is, one more than the product of all prime numbers).
∞ is not a number. Trying to treat it like one will eventually cause a headache.
(If you're having trouble getting the reference, there was this famous question I cannot find anymore that had five students giving five different answers to a "what is the next number in this sequence" question using five different fourth order polynomials.)
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Julia thinks ∞ is evenly divisible by everything. Julia got ∞ by Π ℙ = ∞ (that is, the product of all prime numbers).
Anna thinks ∞ is evenly divisible by only by 1. Anna got ∞ by Π ℙ + 1 = ∞ (that is, one more than the product of all prime numbers).
∞ is not a number. Trying to treat it like one will eventually cause a headache.
(If you're having trouble getting the reference, there was this famous question I cannot find anymore that had five students giving five different answers to a "what is the next number in this sequence" question using five different fourth order polynomials.)
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Julia thinks ∞ is evenly divisible by everything. Julia got ∞ by Π ℙ = ∞ (that is, the product of all prime numbers).
Anna thinks ∞ is evenly divisible by only by 1. Anna got ∞ by Π ℙ + 1 = ∞ (that is, one more than the product of all prime numbers).
∞ is not a number. Trying to treat it like one will eventually cause a headache.
(If you're having trouble getting the reference, there was this famous question I cannot find anymore that had five students giving five different answers to a "what is the next number in this sequence" question using five different fourth order polynomials.)
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Julia thinks ∞ is evenly divisible by everything. Julia got ∞ by Π ℙ = ∞ (that is, the product of all prime numbers).
Anna thinks ∞ is evenly divisible by only by 1. Anna got ∞ by Π ℙ + 1 = ∞ (that is, one more than the product of all prime numbers).
∞ is not a number. Trying to treat it like one will eventually cause a headache.
(If you're having trouble getting the reference, there was this famous question I cannot find anymore that had five students giving five different answers to a "what is the next number in this sequence" question using five different fourth order polynomials.)
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It all depends on the defintions of $infty$, "number" and "divides".
I will assume that you're asked what is the greatest integer number dividing 11 then basically in any sensible interpretation of words $infty$, "integer number" and "divides" the answer to your question will be "11". As far as I know, $infty$ is always interpreted distinct from the usual numbers (by usual I mean real numbers) (including integers), that is, you have an axiom (or a theorem)
$$forall x in mathbbZ , x neq infty.$$ Hence $infty$ could not possibly be the greatest integer number dividing 11 since it then would be an integer contradicting this axiom (or a theorem, whatever you wanna call it)
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It all depends on the defintions of $infty$, "number" and "divides".
I will assume that you're asked what is the greatest integer number dividing 11 then basically in any sensible interpretation of words $infty$, "integer number" and "divides" the answer to your question will be "11". As far as I know, $infty$ is always interpreted distinct from the usual numbers (by usual I mean real numbers) (including integers), that is, you have an axiom (or a theorem)
$$forall x in mathbbZ , x neq infty.$$ Hence $infty$ could not possibly be the greatest integer number dividing 11 since it then would be an integer contradicting this axiom (or a theorem, whatever you wanna call it)
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It all depends on the defintions of $infty$, "number" and "divides".
I will assume that you're asked what is the greatest integer number dividing 11 then basically in any sensible interpretation of words $infty$, "integer number" and "divides" the answer to your question will be "11". As far as I know, $infty$ is always interpreted distinct from the usual numbers (by usual I mean real numbers) (including integers), that is, you have an axiom (or a theorem)
$$forall x in mathbbZ , x neq infty.$$ Hence $infty$ could not possibly be the greatest integer number dividing 11 since it then would be an integer contradicting this axiom (or a theorem, whatever you wanna call it)
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It all depends on the defintions of $infty$, "number" and "divides".
I will assume that you're asked what is the greatest integer number dividing 11 then basically in any sensible interpretation of words $infty$, "integer number" and "divides" the answer to your question will be "11". As far as I know, $infty$ is always interpreted distinct from the usual numbers (by usual I mean real numbers) (including integers), that is, you have an axiom (or a theorem)
$$forall x in mathbbZ , x neq infty.$$ Hence $infty$ could not possibly be the greatest integer number dividing 11 since it then would be an integer contradicting this axiom (or a theorem, whatever you wanna call it)
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It is really great to be thinking of stuff like this.
You will find people all around you who will say infinity is not a number and they will stop there, but there are a set of math classes in your future (Calculus) that are all about dealing with numbers that are virtually infinite--they call them limits.
All those people who say that it's absolutely impossible to deal with infinity will find it perfectly fine to deal with "x as x approaches infinity" and you get the same results you would intuit for infinity (Division by infinity is still a bit tricky if I recall correctly)
Anyway, if you have ever noticed that math is often about describing things, calculus is how you describe strange (arbitrary) curves and such--Exactly how much water fits into your strangely shaped sink, or how long will it take to drain said water since the speed it drains is slower as there is less water in the sink.
This kind of thing is calculated by slicing up curves into infinitely (Approaching infinite anyway) thin slices and adding the slices together to get an exact result.
(PS, I haven't done much calculus in decades, if this is factually wrong please feel free to fix it rather than just blindly downvoting. Thanks)
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It is really great to be thinking of stuff like this.
You will find people all around you who will say infinity is not a number and they will stop there, but there are a set of math classes in your future (Calculus) that are all about dealing with numbers that are virtually infinite--they call them limits.
All those people who say that it's absolutely impossible to deal with infinity will find it perfectly fine to deal with "x as x approaches infinity" and you get the same results you would intuit for infinity (Division by infinity is still a bit tricky if I recall correctly)
Anyway, if you have ever noticed that math is often about describing things, calculus is how you describe strange (arbitrary) curves and such--Exactly how much water fits into your strangely shaped sink, or how long will it take to drain said water since the speed it drains is slower as there is less water in the sink.
This kind of thing is calculated by slicing up curves into infinitely (Approaching infinite anyway) thin slices and adding the slices together to get an exact result.
(PS, I haven't done much calculus in decades, if this is factually wrong please feel free to fix it rather than just blindly downvoting. Thanks)
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It is really great to be thinking of stuff like this.
You will find people all around you who will say infinity is not a number and they will stop there, but there are a set of math classes in your future (Calculus) that are all about dealing with numbers that are virtually infinite--they call them limits.
All those people who say that it's absolutely impossible to deal with infinity will find it perfectly fine to deal with "x as x approaches infinity" and you get the same results you would intuit for infinity (Division by infinity is still a bit tricky if I recall correctly)
Anyway, if you have ever noticed that math is often about describing things, calculus is how you describe strange (arbitrary) curves and such--Exactly how much water fits into your strangely shaped sink, or how long will it take to drain said water since the speed it drains is slower as there is less water in the sink.
This kind of thing is calculated by slicing up curves into infinitely (Approaching infinite anyway) thin slices and adding the slices together to get an exact result.
(PS, I haven't done much calculus in decades, if this is factually wrong please feel free to fix it rather than just blindly downvoting. Thanks)
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It is really great to be thinking of stuff like this.
You will find people all around you who will say infinity is not a number and they will stop there, but there are a set of math classes in your future (Calculus) that are all about dealing with numbers that are virtually infinite--they call them limits.
All those people who say that it's absolutely impossible to deal with infinity will find it perfectly fine to deal with "x as x approaches infinity" and you get the same results you would intuit for infinity (Division by infinity is still a bit tricky if I recall correctly)
Anyway, if you have ever noticed that math is often about describing things, calculus is how you describe strange (arbitrary) curves and such--Exactly how much water fits into your strangely shaped sink, or how long will it take to drain said water since the speed it drains is slower as there is less water in the sink.
This kind of thing is calculated by slicing up curves into infinitely (Approaching infinite anyway) thin slices and adding the slices together to get an exact result.
(PS, I haven't done much calculus in decades, if this is factually wrong please feel free to fix it rather than just blindly downvoting. Thanks)
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Infinity is not a number.
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– Sean Roberson
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@SeanRoberson What is a number for you to be saying that?
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@user647486 Care to justify your statement?
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There is an arithmetic for the extended real numbers (real numbers with $pminfty.$) You can see its arithmetic here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/….
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– Adrian Keister
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Your title asks about dividing infinity by a number, then in your question you start out asking about dividing eleven by something, then you go back to dividing something by eleven. Dividing something by eleven and dividing eleven by something are very different, and you need to more clearly distinguish between the two.
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