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Is aluminum electrical wire used on aircraft?
Do commercial aircraft have electrical outlets?How to interpret the electrical information on a G1000 T206H?How are fly-by-wire airliners controlled in case of complete electrical failure?Does electrical usage contribute to fuel consumption?Is it possible or has anyone explored the possibility of capturing static electricity for supplying electrical loads on an aircraft?Where can one access the electrical buses in an aircraft?How does the Piper Archer III electrical system work?Can you identify this (electrical) part?What's field excitation in an electrical system?What happens when all electrical systems in a helicopter fail?
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Aluminum electrical wire got a bit of a bad reputation in household wiring due to reacting badly with terminals not properly rated for aluminum. Properly handled, it works fine, but it's so distrusted for small branch circuits that distributors won't even stock it.
Aluminum is a worse conductor than copper, by almost half. But that only considers it by volume (e.g. Wire diameter). By mass, the advantage swings back to aluminum. Nearly twice the ampacity for the same weight. Where would that matter? Aircraft.
Transport class aircraft are increasingly electrical, like the bleedless 787 where electrical does much of the heavy lifting.
Is aluminum wire actively used in aviation? Or is it "taboo" like it is with houses?
electrical-system
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Aluminum electrical wire got a bit of a bad reputation in household wiring due to reacting badly with terminals not properly rated for aluminum. Properly handled, it works fine, but it's so distrusted for small branch circuits that distributors won't even stock it.
Aluminum is a worse conductor than copper, by almost half. But that only considers it by volume (e.g. Wire diameter). By mass, the advantage swings back to aluminum. Nearly twice the ampacity for the same weight. Where would that matter? Aircraft.
Transport class aircraft are increasingly electrical, like the bleedless 787 where electrical does much of the heavy lifting.
Is aluminum wire actively used in aviation? Or is it "taboo" like it is with houses?
electrical-system
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Probably even more taboo than with houses, as aluminum doesn't handle vibrations very well. Copper is more ductile.
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– vidarlo
Mar 22 at 20:42
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I suggest you read up on the whole A380 wiring saga back in 2005, as it involved aluminium wiring...
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– Moo
Mar 23 at 3:44
1
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@kebs popularmechanics.com/flight/a982/4201627 us-tech.com/RelId/1425875/pagenum/2/ISvars/default/… cadalyst.com/cad/product-design/what-grounded-airbus-a380-10903 old.seattletimes.com/html/businesstechnology/… prysmiangroup.com/en/products-and-solution/references/…
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– Moo
yesterday
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Also note that like a car, there's no return wiring on an aircraft. It's done through the aluminum structure of the aircraft. (Article here on how they do it on carbon fiber fuselages)
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– user71659
23 hours ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Aluminum electrical wire got a bit of a bad reputation in household wiring due to reacting badly with terminals not properly rated for aluminum. Properly handled, it works fine, but it's so distrusted for small branch circuits that distributors won't even stock it.
Aluminum is a worse conductor than copper, by almost half. But that only considers it by volume (e.g. Wire diameter). By mass, the advantage swings back to aluminum. Nearly twice the ampacity for the same weight. Where would that matter? Aircraft.
Transport class aircraft are increasingly electrical, like the bleedless 787 where electrical does much of the heavy lifting.
Is aluminum wire actively used in aviation? Or is it "taboo" like it is with houses?
electrical-system
$endgroup$
Aluminum electrical wire got a bit of a bad reputation in household wiring due to reacting badly with terminals not properly rated for aluminum. Properly handled, it works fine, but it's so distrusted for small branch circuits that distributors won't even stock it.
Aluminum is a worse conductor than copper, by almost half. But that only considers it by volume (e.g. Wire diameter). By mass, the advantage swings back to aluminum. Nearly twice the ampacity for the same weight. Where would that matter? Aircraft.
Transport class aircraft are increasingly electrical, like the bleedless 787 where electrical does much of the heavy lifting.
Is aluminum wire actively used in aviation? Or is it "taboo" like it is with houses?
electrical-system
electrical-system
asked Mar 22 at 20:17
HarperHarper
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Probably even more taboo than with houses, as aluminum doesn't handle vibrations very well. Copper is more ductile.
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– vidarlo
Mar 22 at 20:42
3
$begingroup$
I suggest you read up on the whole A380 wiring saga back in 2005, as it involved aluminium wiring...
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– Moo
Mar 23 at 3:44
1
$begingroup$
@kebs popularmechanics.com/flight/a982/4201627 us-tech.com/RelId/1425875/pagenum/2/ISvars/default/… cadalyst.com/cad/product-design/what-grounded-airbus-a380-10903 old.seattletimes.com/html/businesstechnology/… prysmiangroup.com/en/products-and-solution/references/…
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– Moo
yesterday
$begingroup$
Also note that like a car, there's no return wiring on an aircraft. It's done through the aluminum structure of the aircraft. (Article here on how they do it on carbon fiber fuselages)
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– user71659
23 hours ago
add a comment |
3
$begingroup$
Probably even more taboo than with houses, as aluminum doesn't handle vibrations very well. Copper is more ductile.
$endgroup$
– vidarlo
Mar 22 at 20:42
3
$begingroup$
I suggest you read up on the whole A380 wiring saga back in 2005, as it involved aluminium wiring...
$endgroup$
– Moo
Mar 23 at 3:44
1
$begingroup$
@kebs popularmechanics.com/flight/a982/4201627 us-tech.com/RelId/1425875/pagenum/2/ISvars/default/… cadalyst.com/cad/product-design/what-grounded-airbus-a380-10903 old.seattletimes.com/html/businesstechnology/… prysmiangroup.com/en/products-and-solution/references/…
$endgroup$
– Moo
yesterday
$begingroup$
Also note that like a car, there's no return wiring on an aircraft. It's done through the aluminum structure of the aircraft. (Article here on how they do it on carbon fiber fuselages)
$endgroup$
– user71659
23 hours ago
3
3
$begingroup$
Probably even more taboo than with houses, as aluminum doesn't handle vibrations very well. Copper is more ductile.
$endgroup$
– vidarlo
Mar 22 at 20:42
$begingroup$
Probably even more taboo than with houses, as aluminum doesn't handle vibrations very well. Copper is more ductile.
$endgroup$
– vidarlo
Mar 22 at 20:42
3
3
$begingroup$
I suggest you read up on the whole A380 wiring saga back in 2005, as it involved aluminium wiring...
$endgroup$
– Moo
Mar 23 at 3:44
$begingroup$
I suggest you read up on the whole A380 wiring saga back in 2005, as it involved aluminium wiring...
$endgroup$
– Moo
Mar 23 at 3:44
1
1
$begingroup$
@kebs popularmechanics.com/flight/a982/4201627 us-tech.com/RelId/1425875/pagenum/2/ISvars/default/… cadalyst.com/cad/product-design/what-grounded-airbus-a380-10903 old.seattletimes.com/html/businesstechnology/… prysmiangroup.com/en/products-and-solution/references/…
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– Moo
yesterday
$begingroup$
@kebs popularmechanics.com/flight/a982/4201627 us-tech.com/RelId/1425875/pagenum/2/ISvars/default/… cadalyst.com/cad/product-design/what-grounded-airbus-a380-10903 old.seattletimes.com/html/businesstechnology/… prysmiangroup.com/en/products-and-solution/references/…
$endgroup$
– Moo
yesterday
$begingroup$
Also note that like a car, there's no return wiring on an aircraft. It's done through the aluminum structure of the aircraft. (Article here on how they do it on carbon fiber fuselages)
$endgroup$
– user71659
23 hours ago
$begingroup$
Also note that like a car, there's no return wiring on an aircraft. It's done through the aluminum structure of the aircraft. (Article here on how they do it on carbon fiber fuselages)
$endgroup$
– user71659
23 hours ago
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Cable is not just the metal wire. It's also insulation, installation, cable channels, extra space at tight bends where cable flexibility is insufficient, and maintenance of said cable. Aluminum corrodes in a lot of conditions and happens to be one of the most fatigue-susceptible metals.
For these reasons, most aircraft wiring is copper and silver-plated or nickel-plated copper. Such wiring is reliable even under imperfect conditions.
But there are cases where different considerations prevail. Sometimes it's just the need to have some minimum cable thickness, for mechanical and handling reasons. Other times it's a thick bus bar where weight makes a difference and quality is easy to ensure.
So beside copper there is some steel, copper-nickel plated aluminum, copper-nickel plated steel, and pure aluminum wiring in aircraft.
In aircraft, safety is ensured and validated with engineering and testing; risks of the kind one can take with home wiring are not accepted. The price of aluminum wire is installation and maintenance complexity instead. The ends need to be cleaned and crimped or welded, sometimes the aluminum wire is terminated with a bimetallic insert. As a result, aluminum wiring is more expensive than copper, not less. It will likely require more maintenance work in the future.
Until recently, aluminum has been mostly avoided for these reasons, and used only for thick wires and bus bars. Currently there is enough confidence in quality management and maintenance that aluminum wiring is getting more use in attempts to save some weight, the A380 in particular uses aluminum wires up to 22 AWG. Such weight savings come at the cost of more parts and more work, both in production and later in service.
Specific percentages vary widely, but generally non-copper wiring accounts for more than 10% and less than 50% of overall wire weight in a production commercial aircraft.
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"...risks of the kind one can take with home wiring are not accepted..." Ouch. :-)
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– T.J. Crowder
2 days ago
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As far as relative risk goes, in aviation, there is a lot of quality control and inspection - from manufacturing to routine maintenance. Issues that might develop over time should be caught during inspections. In domestic application, there is a lot of do-it-yourself installation of variable quality that can easily go uninspected until the house burns down. It's more important to go with the "ever reliable" in domestic use. In aviation, it doesn't have to be "ever reliable", provided developing issues can be caught and corrected during scheduled inspections.
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– Anthony X
2 days ago
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Al isn't just used for bus bars: the A320 forward, 757/767/747-400, L-1011, and the MD-11 all use Al feeder wiring. In terms of small aircraft, Piper and Cessna both used it for a while. The new technology, seen in the A380, is to cold weld large connections, not crimp.
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– user71659
yesterday
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Cable is not just the metal wire. It's also insulation, installation, cable channels, extra space at tight bends where cable flexibility is insufficient, and maintenance of said cable. Aluminum corrodes in a lot of conditions and happens to be one of the most fatigue-susceptible metals.
For these reasons, most aircraft wiring is copper and silver-plated or nickel-plated copper. Such wiring is reliable even under imperfect conditions.
But there are cases where different considerations prevail. Sometimes it's just the need to have some minimum cable thickness, for mechanical and handling reasons. Other times it's a thick bus bar where weight makes a difference and quality is easy to ensure.
So beside copper there is some steel, copper-nickel plated aluminum, copper-nickel plated steel, and pure aluminum wiring in aircraft.
In aircraft, safety is ensured and validated with engineering and testing; risks of the kind one can take with home wiring are not accepted. The price of aluminum wire is installation and maintenance complexity instead. The ends need to be cleaned and crimped or welded, sometimes the aluminum wire is terminated with a bimetallic insert. As a result, aluminum wiring is more expensive than copper, not less. It will likely require more maintenance work in the future.
Until recently, aluminum has been mostly avoided for these reasons, and used only for thick wires and bus bars. Currently there is enough confidence in quality management and maintenance that aluminum wiring is getting more use in attempts to save some weight, the A380 in particular uses aluminum wires up to 22 AWG. Such weight savings come at the cost of more parts and more work, both in production and later in service.
Specific percentages vary widely, but generally non-copper wiring accounts for more than 10% and less than 50% of overall wire weight in a production commercial aircraft.
$endgroup$
1
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"...risks of the kind one can take with home wiring are not accepted..." Ouch. :-)
$endgroup$
– T.J. Crowder
2 days ago
$begingroup$
As far as relative risk goes, in aviation, there is a lot of quality control and inspection - from manufacturing to routine maintenance. Issues that might develop over time should be caught during inspections. In domestic application, there is a lot of do-it-yourself installation of variable quality that can easily go uninspected until the house burns down. It's more important to go with the "ever reliable" in domestic use. In aviation, it doesn't have to be "ever reliable", provided developing issues can be caught and corrected during scheduled inspections.
$endgroup$
– Anthony X
2 days ago
$begingroup$
Al isn't just used for bus bars: the A320 forward, 757/767/747-400, L-1011, and the MD-11 all use Al feeder wiring. In terms of small aircraft, Piper and Cessna both used it for a while. The new technology, seen in the A380, is to cold weld large connections, not crimp.
$endgroup$
– user71659
yesterday
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Cable is not just the metal wire. It's also insulation, installation, cable channels, extra space at tight bends where cable flexibility is insufficient, and maintenance of said cable. Aluminum corrodes in a lot of conditions and happens to be one of the most fatigue-susceptible metals.
For these reasons, most aircraft wiring is copper and silver-plated or nickel-plated copper. Such wiring is reliable even under imperfect conditions.
But there are cases where different considerations prevail. Sometimes it's just the need to have some minimum cable thickness, for mechanical and handling reasons. Other times it's a thick bus bar where weight makes a difference and quality is easy to ensure.
So beside copper there is some steel, copper-nickel plated aluminum, copper-nickel plated steel, and pure aluminum wiring in aircraft.
In aircraft, safety is ensured and validated with engineering and testing; risks of the kind one can take with home wiring are not accepted. The price of aluminum wire is installation and maintenance complexity instead. The ends need to be cleaned and crimped or welded, sometimes the aluminum wire is terminated with a bimetallic insert. As a result, aluminum wiring is more expensive than copper, not less. It will likely require more maintenance work in the future.
Until recently, aluminum has been mostly avoided for these reasons, and used only for thick wires and bus bars. Currently there is enough confidence in quality management and maintenance that aluminum wiring is getting more use in attempts to save some weight, the A380 in particular uses aluminum wires up to 22 AWG. Such weight savings come at the cost of more parts and more work, both in production and later in service.
Specific percentages vary widely, but generally non-copper wiring accounts for more than 10% and less than 50% of overall wire weight in a production commercial aircraft.
$endgroup$
1
$begingroup$
"...risks of the kind one can take with home wiring are not accepted..." Ouch. :-)
$endgroup$
– T.J. Crowder
2 days ago
$begingroup$
As far as relative risk goes, in aviation, there is a lot of quality control and inspection - from manufacturing to routine maintenance. Issues that might develop over time should be caught during inspections. In domestic application, there is a lot of do-it-yourself installation of variable quality that can easily go uninspected until the house burns down. It's more important to go with the "ever reliable" in domestic use. In aviation, it doesn't have to be "ever reliable", provided developing issues can be caught and corrected during scheduled inspections.
$endgroup$
– Anthony X
2 days ago
$begingroup$
Al isn't just used for bus bars: the A320 forward, 757/767/747-400, L-1011, and the MD-11 all use Al feeder wiring. In terms of small aircraft, Piper and Cessna both used it for a while. The new technology, seen in the A380, is to cold weld large connections, not crimp.
$endgroup$
– user71659
yesterday
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Cable is not just the metal wire. It's also insulation, installation, cable channels, extra space at tight bends where cable flexibility is insufficient, and maintenance of said cable. Aluminum corrodes in a lot of conditions and happens to be one of the most fatigue-susceptible metals.
For these reasons, most aircraft wiring is copper and silver-plated or nickel-plated copper. Such wiring is reliable even under imperfect conditions.
But there are cases where different considerations prevail. Sometimes it's just the need to have some minimum cable thickness, for mechanical and handling reasons. Other times it's a thick bus bar where weight makes a difference and quality is easy to ensure.
So beside copper there is some steel, copper-nickel plated aluminum, copper-nickel plated steel, and pure aluminum wiring in aircraft.
In aircraft, safety is ensured and validated with engineering and testing; risks of the kind one can take with home wiring are not accepted. The price of aluminum wire is installation and maintenance complexity instead. The ends need to be cleaned and crimped or welded, sometimes the aluminum wire is terminated with a bimetallic insert. As a result, aluminum wiring is more expensive than copper, not less. It will likely require more maintenance work in the future.
Until recently, aluminum has been mostly avoided for these reasons, and used only for thick wires and bus bars. Currently there is enough confidence in quality management and maintenance that aluminum wiring is getting more use in attempts to save some weight, the A380 in particular uses aluminum wires up to 22 AWG. Such weight savings come at the cost of more parts and more work, both in production and later in service.
Specific percentages vary widely, but generally non-copper wiring accounts for more than 10% and less than 50% of overall wire weight in a production commercial aircraft.
$endgroup$
Cable is not just the metal wire. It's also insulation, installation, cable channels, extra space at tight bends where cable flexibility is insufficient, and maintenance of said cable. Aluminum corrodes in a lot of conditions and happens to be one of the most fatigue-susceptible metals.
For these reasons, most aircraft wiring is copper and silver-plated or nickel-plated copper. Such wiring is reliable even under imperfect conditions.
But there are cases where different considerations prevail. Sometimes it's just the need to have some minimum cable thickness, for mechanical and handling reasons. Other times it's a thick bus bar where weight makes a difference and quality is easy to ensure.
So beside copper there is some steel, copper-nickel plated aluminum, copper-nickel plated steel, and pure aluminum wiring in aircraft.
In aircraft, safety is ensured and validated with engineering and testing; risks of the kind one can take with home wiring are not accepted. The price of aluminum wire is installation and maintenance complexity instead. The ends need to be cleaned and crimped or welded, sometimes the aluminum wire is terminated with a bimetallic insert. As a result, aluminum wiring is more expensive than copper, not less. It will likely require more maintenance work in the future.
Until recently, aluminum has been mostly avoided for these reasons, and used only for thick wires and bus bars. Currently there is enough confidence in quality management and maintenance that aluminum wiring is getting more use in attempts to save some weight, the A380 in particular uses aluminum wires up to 22 AWG. Such weight savings come at the cost of more parts and more work, both in production and later in service.
Specific percentages vary widely, but generally non-copper wiring accounts for more than 10% and less than 50% of overall wire weight in a production commercial aircraft.
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"...risks of the kind one can take with home wiring are not accepted..." Ouch. :-)
$endgroup$
– T.J. Crowder
2 days ago
$begingroup$
As far as relative risk goes, in aviation, there is a lot of quality control and inspection - from manufacturing to routine maintenance. Issues that might develop over time should be caught during inspections. In domestic application, there is a lot of do-it-yourself installation of variable quality that can easily go uninspected until the house burns down. It's more important to go with the "ever reliable" in domestic use. In aviation, it doesn't have to be "ever reliable", provided developing issues can be caught and corrected during scheduled inspections.
$endgroup$
– Anthony X
2 days ago
$begingroup$
Al isn't just used for bus bars: the A320 forward, 757/767/747-400, L-1011, and the MD-11 all use Al feeder wiring. In terms of small aircraft, Piper and Cessna both used it for a while. The new technology, seen in the A380, is to cold weld large connections, not crimp.
$endgroup$
– user71659
yesterday
add a comment |
1
$begingroup$
"...risks of the kind one can take with home wiring are not accepted..." Ouch. :-)
$endgroup$
– T.J. Crowder
2 days ago
$begingroup$
As far as relative risk goes, in aviation, there is a lot of quality control and inspection - from manufacturing to routine maintenance. Issues that might develop over time should be caught during inspections. In domestic application, there is a lot of do-it-yourself installation of variable quality that can easily go uninspected until the house burns down. It's more important to go with the "ever reliable" in domestic use. In aviation, it doesn't have to be "ever reliable", provided developing issues can be caught and corrected during scheduled inspections.
$endgroup$
– Anthony X
2 days ago
$begingroup$
Al isn't just used for bus bars: the A320 forward, 757/767/747-400, L-1011, and the MD-11 all use Al feeder wiring. In terms of small aircraft, Piper and Cessna both used it for a while. The new technology, seen in the A380, is to cold weld large connections, not crimp.
$endgroup$
– user71659
yesterday
1
1
$begingroup$
"...risks of the kind one can take with home wiring are not accepted..." Ouch. :-)
$endgroup$
– T.J. Crowder
2 days ago
$begingroup$
"...risks of the kind one can take with home wiring are not accepted..." Ouch. :-)
$endgroup$
– T.J. Crowder
2 days ago
$begingroup$
As far as relative risk goes, in aviation, there is a lot of quality control and inspection - from manufacturing to routine maintenance. Issues that might develop over time should be caught during inspections. In domestic application, there is a lot of do-it-yourself installation of variable quality that can easily go uninspected until the house burns down. It's more important to go with the "ever reliable" in domestic use. In aviation, it doesn't have to be "ever reliable", provided developing issues can be caught and corrected during scheduled inspections.
$endgroup$
– Anthony X
2 days ago
$begingroup$
As far as relative risk goes, in aviation, there is a lot of quality control and inspection - from manufacturing to routine maintenance. Issues that might develop over time should be caught during inspections. In domestic application, there is a lot of do-it-yourself installation of variable quality that can easily go uninspected until the house burns down. It's more important to go with the "ever reliable" in domestic use. In aviation, it doesn't have to be "ever reliable", provided developing issues can be caught and corrected during scheduled inspections.
$endgroup$
– Anthony X
2 days ago
$begingroup$
Al isn't just used for bus bars: the A320 forward, 757/767/747-400, L-1011, and the MD-11 all use Al feeder wiring. In terms of small aircraft, Piper and Cessna both used it for a while. The new technology, seen in the A380, is to cold weld large connections, not crimp.
$endgroup$
– user71659
yesterday
$begingroup$
Al isn't just used for bus bars: the A320 forward, 757/767/747-400, L-1011, and the MD-11 all use Al feeder wiring. In terms of small aircraft, Piper and Cessna both used it for a while. The new technology, seen in the A380, is to cold weld large connections, not crimp.
$endgroup$
– user71659
yesterday
add a comment |
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Probably even more taboo than with houses, as aluminum doesn't handle vibrations very well. Copper is more ductile.
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– vidarlo
Mar 22 at 20:42
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I suggest you read up on the whole A380 wiring saga back in 2005, as it involved aluminium wiring...
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– Moo
Mar 23 at 3:44
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@kebs popularmechanics.com/flight/a982/4201627 us-tech.com/RelId/1425875/pagenum/2/ISvars/default/… cadalyst.com/cad/product-design/what-grounded-airbus-a380-10903 old.seattletimes.com/html/businesstechnology/… prysmiangroup.com/en/products-and-solution/references/…
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– Moo
yesterday
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Also note that like a car, there's no return wiring on an aircraft. It's done through the aluminum structure of the aircraft. (Article here on how they do it on carbon fiber fuselages)
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– user71659
23 hours ago