The spell temper (old card) effect in combat damage resolutionDoes preventing damage also prevent poison?What is the resolution of tapping a blocking creature?Can I give a creature First Strike in order to prevent it dealing any damage that combat?Does Kill Shot-ing a morph during combat prevent damage?Will combat damage trigger fight abilities?Combat Damage Steps (Double Strike) and Sacrificing a CreaturePrevent the next x damage and multiple unblocked creaturesWhat happens if I give double strike to a creature right after the combat damage is dealt?The effect of witherWhat is the source of redirected damage?

Draw this image in the TIKZ package

Why do phishing e-mails use faked e-mail addresses instead of the real one?

Generating a list with duplicate entries

Why isn't P and P/poly trivially the same?

Tool for measuring readability of English text

Use Mercury as quenching liquid for swords?

Are small insurances worth it?

PTIJ: Sport in the Torah

How can I portion out frozen cookie dough?

What the error in writing this equation by latex?

Is the differential, dp, exact or not?

Does an unused member variable take up memory?

How do property taxes on school district bonds work?

Why do we say 'Pairwise Disjoint', rather than 'Disjoint'?

Is this a crown race?

Why would /etc/passwd be used every time someone executes `ls -l` command?

Is it appropriate to ask a former professor to order a library book for me through ILL?

Why do we call complex numbers “numbers” but we don’t consider 2-vectors numbers?

What is the purpose of a disclaimer like "this is not legal advice"?

Is there a math expression equivalent to the conditional ternary operator?

Too soon for a plot twist?

Professor forcing me to attend a conference, I can't afford even with 50% funding

Should we avoid writing fiction about historical events without extensive research?

ESPP--any reason not to go all in?



The spell temper (old card) effect in combat damage resolution


Does preventing damage also prevent poison?What is the resolution of tapping a blocking creature?Can I give a creature First Strike in order to prevent it dealing any damage that combat?Does Kill Shot-ing a morph during combat prevent damage?Will combat damage trigger fight abilities?Combat Damage Steps (Double Strike) and Sacrificing a CreaturePrevent the next x damage and multiple unblocked creaturesWhat happens if I give double strike to a creature right after the combat damage is dealt?The effect of witherWhat is the source of redirected damage?













3















Temper prevents the next 'X' damage and puts 'X' +1/+1 counters on a creature. Do those counters increase the damage done by this creature in the combat resolution step?

Also how does it interact with an 'Nomads en-Kor' style damage redirection or a Boros Reckoner?










share|improve this question




























    3















    Temper prevents the next 'X' damage and puts 'X' +1/+1 counters on a creature. Do those counters increase the damage done by this creature in the combat resolution step?

    Also how does it interact with an 'Nomads en-Kor' style damage redirection or a Boros Reckoner?










    share|improve this question


























      3












      3








      3








      Temper prevents the next 'X' damage and puts 'X' +1/+1 counters on a creature. Do those counters increase the damage done by this creature in the combat resolution step?

      Also how does it interact with an 'Nomads en-Kor' style damage redirection or a Boros Reckoner?










      share|improve this question
















      Temper prevents the next 'X' damage and puts 'X' +1/+1 counters on a creature. Do those counters increase the damage done by this creature in the combat resolution step?

      Also how does it interact with an 'Nomads en-Kor' style damage redirection or a Boros Reckoner?







      magic-the-gathering






      share|improve this question















      share|improve this question













      share|improve this question




      share|improve this question








      edited 10 hours ago









      Malco

      6,7561654




      6,7561654










      asked 10 hours ago









      BillBill

      41719




      41719




















          1 Answer
          1






          active

          oldest

          votes


















          5














          Okay there's two questions here so lets take them one at a time. First though being combat damage only matters for the timing of the damage in the first question, Temper works the same way regardless of how the damage is dealt.



          1) Temper will NOT change the damage done by that creature in the same damage step, damage is already assigned in full, and would have been dealt at the same time it was to take the damage being prevented. Making a creature more powerful after damage is assigned doesn't change that. If however the damage prevented was from a first strike source, and your creature does not have first strike, or has double strike, the second damage step will have those counters and will do that extra damage. This is seen more recently with the effect of Drana, Liberator of Malakir every time she hits all attacking creatures get a +1/+1 counter, and she has first strike.



          2) If Temper was placed on Boros Reckoner, his effect will not be triggered, he was dealt no damage so his effect does nothing. The en-Kor redirection effects could go either way, assuming one player controls both the effects that player chooses which one applies first and which tries to apply second. The one that would apply second fails to happen, because damage is no longer going to be dealt to that creature. This is covered in the Comprehensive rules:




          616.1 If two or more replacement and/or prevention effects are attempting to modify the way an event affects an object or player, the affected object's controller (or its owner if it has no controller) or the affected player chooses one to apply, following the steps listed below. If two or more players have to make these choices at the same time, choices are made in APNAP order (see rule 101.4).




          If Temper is cast on the creature that damage is being redirected to, both effects will apply, the damage will be redirected and then prevented.



          It's worth noting that Temper still prevents X damage during that turn, unlike some other sources it does not care from where or when the damage is dealt, beyond that it is all in that one turn. So if you redirect all damage from a group of en-Kor creatures being hit by something like pyroclasm it will prevent all of up to X of that damage, and if anything is left be able to prevent still more later in the turn.






          share|improve this answer

























          • You might want to clarify why Temper can prevent more than 1 point of damage if cast on the creature that en-Kor redirected to.

            – Taemyr
            9 hours ago











          • @Taemyr Fair enough, I added in that number of sources doesn't matter, though that part should be obvious. More important was to fix that they have an option on the en-Kor/replacement effects.

            – Andrew
            9 hours ago











          • I haven't played MtG in ages, so on reading en-Kor thought that you could only prevent one damage. Then read your answer and rethought, because I would have no problem with Temper preventing damage from multiple completely different sources - then I tried to find the rules that applies, but struggle a bit with that because prevention effects is a continous effect; so how long does a continous effect from an instant last? All in all I think I am beyond the scope of the question though.

            – Taemyr
            9 hours ago











          • @Taemyr you can activate the ability as many times as you can afford, and since the en-Kor effect has a cost of 0, that's infinite. It just redirect the first point with the first one, then the next point is the first one again and it gets redirected also.

            – Andrew
            9 hours ago











          • @Taemyr as for how long it lasts, the oracle text for Temper says " Prevent the next X damage that would be dealt to target creature this turn. For each 1 damage prevented this way, put a +1/+1 counter on that creature." IT lasts to the end of the turn.

            – Andrew
            9 hours ago











          Your Answer








          StackExchange.ready(function()
          var channelOptions =
          tags: "".split(" "),
          id: "147"
          ;
          initTagRenderer("".split(" "), "".split(" "), channelOptions);

          StackExchange.using("externalEditor", function()
          // Have to fire editor after snippets, if snippets enabled
          if (StackExchange.settings.snippets.snippetsEnabled)
          StackExchange.using("snippets", function()
          createEditor();
          );

          else
          createEditor();

          );

          function createEditor()
          StackExchange.prepareEditor(
          heartbeatType: 'answer',
          autoActivateHeartbeat: false,
          convertImagesToLinks: false,
          noModals: true,
          showLowRepImageUploadWarning: true,
          reputationToPostImages: null,
          bindNavPrevention: true,
          postfix: "",
          imageUploader:
          brandingHtml: "Powered by u003ca class="icon-imgur-white" href="https://imgur.com/"u003eu003c/au003e",
          contentPolicyHtml: "User contributions licensed under u003ca href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/"u003ecc by-sa 3.0 with attribution requiredu003c/au003e u003ca href="https://stackoverflow.com/legal/content-policy"u003e(content policy)u003c/au003e",
          allowUrls: true
          ,
          noCode: true, onDemand: true,
          discardSelector: ".discard-answer"
          ,immediatelyShowMarkdownHelp:true
          );



          );













          draft saved

          draft discarded


















          StackExchange.ready(
          function ()
          StackExchange.openid.initPostLogin('.new-post-login', 'https%3a%2f%2fboardgames.stackexchange.com%2fquestions%2f45446%2fthe-spell-temper-old-card-effect-in-combat-damage-resolution%23new-answer', 'question_page');

          );

          Post as a guest















          Required, but never shown

























          1 Answer
          1






          active

          oldest

          votes








          1 Answer
          1






          active

          oldest

          votes









          active

          oldest

          votes






          active

          oldest

          votes









          5














          Okay there's two questions here so lets take them one at a time. First though being combat damage only matters for the timing of the damage in the first question, Temper works the same way regardless of how the damage is dealt.



          1) Temper will NOT change the damage done by that creature in the same damage step, damage is already assigned in full, and would have been dealt at the same time it was to take the damage being prevented. Making a creature more powerful after damage is assigned doesn't change that. If however the damage prevented was from a first strike source, and your creature does not have first strike, or has double strike, the second damage step will have those counters and will do that extra damage. This is seen more recently with the effect of Drana, Liberator of Malakir every time she hits all attacking creatures get a +1/+1 counter, and she has first strike.



          2) If Temper was placed on Boros Reckoner, his effect will not be triggered, he was dealt no damage so his effect does nothing. The en-Kor redirection effects could go either way, assuming one player controls both the effects that player chooses which one applies first and which tries to apply second. The one that would apply second fails to happen, because damage is no longer going to be dealt to that creature. This is covered in the Comprehensive rules:




          616.1 If two or more replacement and/or prevention effects are attempting to modify the way an event affects an object or player, the affected object's controller (or its owner if it has no controller) or the affected player chooses one to apply, following the steps listed below. If two or more players have to make these choices at the same time, choices are made in APNAP order (see rule 101.4).




          If Temper is cast on the creature that damage is being redirected to, both effects will apply, the damage will be redirected and then prevented.



          It's worth noting that Temper still prevents X damage during that turn, unlike some other sources it does not care from where or when the damage is dealt, beyond that it is all in that one turn. So if you redirect all damage from a group of en-Kor creatures being hit by something like pyroclasm it will prevent all of up to X of that damage, and if anything is left be able to prevent still more later in the turn.






          share|improve this answer

























          • You might want to clarify why Temper can prevent more than 1 point of damage if cast on the creature that en-Kor redirected to.

            – Taemyr
            9 hours ago











          • @Taemyr Fair enough, I added in that number of sources doesn't matter, though that part should be obvious. More important was to fix that they have an option on the en-Kor/replacement effects.

            – Andrew
            9 hours ago











          • I haven't played MtG in ages, so on reading en-Kor thought that you could only prevent one damage. Then read your answer and rethought, because I would have no problem with Temper preventing damage from multiple completely different sources - then I tried to find the rules that applies, but struggle a bit with that because prevention effects is a continous effect; so how long does a continous effect from an instant last? All in all I think I am beyond the scope of the question though.

            – Taemyr
            9 hours ago











          • @Taemyr you can activate the ability as many times as you can afford, and since the en-Kor effect has a cost of 0, that's infinite. It just redirect the first point with the first one, then the next point is the first one again and it gets redirected also.

            – Andrew
            9 hours ago











          • @Taemyr as for how long it lasts, the oracle text for Temper says " Prevent the next X damage that would be dealt to target creature this turn. For each 1 damage prevented this way, put a +1/+1 counter on that creature." IT lasts to the end of the turn.

            – Andrew
            9 hours ago
















          5














          Okay there's two questions here so lets take them one at a time. First though being combat damage only matters for the timing of the damage in the first question, Temper works the same way regardless of how the damage is dealt.



          1) Temper will NOT change the damage done by that creature in the same damage step, damage is already assigned in full, and would have been dealt at the same time it was to take the damage being prevented. Making a creature more powerful after damage is assigned doesn't change that. If however the damage prevented was from a first strike source, and your creature does not have first strike, or has double strike, the second damage step will have those counters and will do that extra damage. This is seen more recently with the effect of Drana, Liberator of Malakir every time she hits all attacking creatures get a +1/+1 counter, and she has first strike.



          2) If Temper was placed on Boros Reckoner, his effect will not be triggered, he was dealt no damage so his effect does nothing. The en-Kor redirection effects could go either way, assuming one player controls both the effects that player chooses which one applies first and which tries to apply second. The one that would apply second fails to happen, because damage is no longer going to be dealt to that creature. This is covered in the Comprehensive rules:




          616.1 If two or more replacement and/or prevention effects are attempting to modify the way an event affects an object or player, the affected object's controller (or its owner if it has no controller) or the affected player chooses one to apply, following the steps listed below. If two or more players have to make these choices at the same time, choices are made in APNAP order (see rule 101.4).




          If Temper is cast on the creature that damage is being redirected to, both effects will apply, the damage will be redirected and then prevented.



          It's worth noting that Temper still prevents X damage during that turn, unlike some other sources it does not care from where or when the damage is dealt, beyond that it is all in that one turn. So if you redirect all damage from a group of en-Kor creatures being hit by something like pyroclasm it will prevent all of up to X of that damage, and if anything is left be able to prevent still more later in the turn.






          share|improve this answer

























          • You might want to clarify why Temper can prevent more than 1 point of damage if cast on the creature that en-Kor redirected to.

            – Taemyr
            9 hours ago











          • @Taemyr Fair enough, I added in that number of sources doesn't matter, though that part should be obvious. More important was to fix that they have an option on the en-Kor/replacement effects.

            – Andrew
            9 hours ago











          • I haven't played MtG in ages, so on reading en-Kor thought that you could only prevent one damage. Then read your answer and rethought, because I would have no problem with Temper preventing damage from multiple completely different sources - then I tried to find the rules that applies, but struggle a bit with that because prevention effects is a continous effect; so how long does a continous effect from an instant last? All in all I think I am beyond the scope of the question though.

            – Taemyr
            9 hours ago











          • @Taemyr you can activate the ability as many times as you can afford, and since the en-Kor effect has a cost of 0, that's infinite. It just redirect the first point with the first one, then the next point is the first one again and it gets redirected also.

            – Andrew
            9 hours ago











          • @Taemyr as for how long it lasts, the oracle text for Temper says " Prevent the next X damage that would be dealt to target creature this turn. For each 1 damage prevented this way, put a +1/+1 counter on that creature." IT lasts to the end of the turn.

            – Andrew
            9 hours ago














          5












          5








          5







          Okay there's two questions here so lets take them one at a time. First though being combat damage only matters for the timing of the damage in the first question, Temper works the same way regardless of how the damage is dealt.



          1) Temper will NOT change the damage done by that creature in the same damage step, damage is already assigned in full, and would have been dealt at the same time it was to take the damage being prevented. Making a creature more powerful after damage is assigned doesn't change that. If however the damage prevented was from a first strike source, and your creature does not have first strike, or has double strike, the second damage step will have those counters and will do that extra damage. This is seen more recently with the effect of Drana, Liberator of Malakir every time she hits all attacking creatures get a +1/+1 counter, and she has first strike.



          2) If Temper was placed on Boros Reckoner, his effect will not be triggered, he was dealt no damage so his effect does nothing. The en-Kor redirection effects could go either way, assuming one player controls both the effects that player chooses which one applies first and which tries to apply second. The one that would apply second fails to happen, because damage is no longer going to be dealt to that creature. This is covered in the Comprehensive rules:




          616.1 If two or more replacement and/or prevention effects are attempting to modify the way an event affects an object or player, the affected object's controller (or its owner if it has no controller) or the affected player chooses one to apply, following the steps listed below. If two or more players have to make these choices at the same time, choices are made in APNAP order (see rule 101.4).




          If Temper is cast on the creature that damage is being redirected to, both effects will apply, the damage will be redirected and then prevented.



          It's worth noting that Temper still prevents X damage during that turn, unlike some other sources it does not care from where or when the damage is dealt, beyond that it is all in that one turn. So if you redirect all damage from a group of en-Kor creatures being hit by something like pyroclasm it will prevent all of up to X of that damage, and if anything is left be able to prevent still more later in the turn.






          share|improve this answer















          Okay there's two questions here so lets take them one at a time. First though being combat damage only matters for the timing of the damage in the first question, Temper works the same way regardless of how the damage is dealt.



          1) Temper will NOT change the damage done by that creature in the same damage step, damage is already assigned in full, and would have been dealt at the same time it was to take the damage being prevented. Making a creature more powerful after damage is assigned doesn't change that. If however the damage prevented was from a first strike source, and your creature does not have first strike, or has double strike, the second damage step will have those counters and will do that extra damage. This is seen more recently with the effect of Drana, Liberator of Malakir every time she hits all attacking creatures get a +1/+1 counter, and she has first strike.



          2) If Temper was placed on Boros Reckoner, his effect will not be triggered, he was dealt no damage so his effect does nothing. The en-Kor redirection effects could go either way, assuming one player controls both the effects that player chooses which one applies first and which tries to apply second. The one that would apply second fails to happen, because damage is no longer going to be dealt to that creature. This is covered in the Comprehensive rules:




          616.1 If two or more replacement and/or prevention effects are attempting to modify the way an event affects an object or player, the affected object's controller (or its owner if it has no controller) or the affected player chooses one to apply, following the steps listed below. If two or more players have to make these choices at the same time, choices are made in APNAP order (see rule 101.4).




          If Temper is cast on the creature that damage is being redirected to, both effects will apply, the damage will be redirected and then prevented.



          It's worth noting that Temper still prevents X damage during that turn, unlike some other sources it does not care from where or when the damage is dealt, beyond that it is all in that one turn. So if you redirect all damage from a group of en-Kor creatures being hit by something like pyroclasm it will prevent all of up to X of that damage, and if anything is left be able to prevent still more later in the turn.







          share|improve this answer














          share|improve this answer



          share|improve this answer








          edited 9 hours ago

























          answered 10 hours ago









          AndrewAndrew

          5,405838




          5,405838












          • You might want to clarify why Temper can prevent more than 1 point of damage if cast on the creature that en-Kor redirected to.

            – Taemyr
            9 hours ago











          • @Taemyr Fair enough, I added in that number of sources doesn't matter, though that part should be obvious. More important was to fix that they have an option on the en-Kor/replacement effects.

            – Andrew
            9 hours ago











          • I haven't played MtG in ages, so on reading en-Kor thought that you could only prevent one damage. Then read your answer and rethought, because I would have no problem with Temper preventing damage from multiple completely different sources - then I tried to find the rules that applies, but struggle a bit with that because prevention effects is a continous effect; so how long does a continous effect from an instant last? All in all I think I am beyond the scope of the question though.

            – Taemyr
            9 hours ago











          • @Taemyr you can activate the ability as many times as you can afford, and since the en-Kor effect has a cost of 0, that's infinite. It just redirect the first point with the first one, then the next point is the first one again and it gets redirected also.

            – Andrew
            9 hours ago











          • @Taemyr as for how long it lasts, the oracle text for Temper says " Prevent the next X damage that would be dealt to target creature this turn. For each 1 damage prevented this way, put a +1/+1 counter on that creature." IT lasts to the end of the turn.

            – Andrew
            9 hours ago


















          • You might want to clarify why Temper can prevent more than 1 point of damage if cast on the creature that en-Kor redirected to.

            – Taemyr
            9 hours ago











          • @Taemyr Fair enough, I added in that number of sources doesn't matter, though that part should be obvious. More important was to fix that they have an option on the en-Kor/replacement effects.

            – Andrew
            9 hours ago











          • I haven't played MtG in ages, so on reading en-Kor thought that you could only prevent one damage. Then read your answer and rethought, because I would have no problem with Temper preventing damage from multiple completely different sources - then I tried to find the rules that applies, but struggle a bit with that because prevention effects is a continous effect; so how long does a continous effect from an instant last? All in all I think I am beyond the scope of the question though.

            – Taemyr
            9 hours ago











          • @Taemyr you can activate the ability as many times as you can afford, and since the en-Kor effect has a cost of 0, that's infinite. It just redirect the first point with the first one, then the next point is the first one again and it gets redirected also.

            – Andrew
            9 hours ago











          • @Taemyr as for how long it lasts, the oracle text for Temper says " Prevent the next X damage that would be dealt to target creature this turn. For each 1 damage prevented this way, put a +1/+1 counter on that creature." IT lasts to the end of the turn.

            – Andrew
            9 hours ago

















          You might want to clarify why Temper can prevent more than 1 point of damage if cast on the creature that en-Kor redirected to.

          – Taemyr
          9 hours ago





          You might want to clarify why Temper can prevent more than 1 point of damage if cast on the creature that en-Kor redirected to.

          – Taemyr
          9 hours ago













          @Taemyr Fair enough, I added in that number of sources doesn't matter, though that part should be obvious. More important was to fix that they have an option on the en-Kor/replacement effects.

          – Andrew
          9 hours ago





          @Taemyr Fair enough, I added in that number of sources doesn't matter, though that part should be obvious. More important was to fix that they have an option on the en-Kor/replacement effects.

          – Andrew
          9 hours ago













          I haven't played MtG in ages, so on reading en-Kor thought that you could only prevent one damage. Then read your answer and rethought, because I would have no problem with Temper preventing damage from multiple completely different sources - then I tried to find the rules that applies, but struggle a bit with that because prevention effects is a continous effect; so how long does a continous effect from an instant last? All in all I think I am beyond the scope of the question though.

          – Taemyr
          9 hours ago





          I haven't played MtG in ages, so on reading en-Kor thought that you could only prevent one damage. Then read your answer and rethought, because I would have no problem with Temper preventing damage from multiple completely different sources - then I tried to find the rules that applies, but struggle a bit with that because prevention effects is a continous effect; so how long does a continous effect from an instant last? All in all I think I am beyond the scope of the question though.

          – Taemyr
          9 hours ago













          @Taemyr you can activate the ability as many times as you can afford, and since the en-Kor effect has a cost of 0, that's infinite. It just redirect the first point with the first one, then the next point is the first one again and it gets redirected also.

          – Andrew
          9 hours ago





          @Taemyr you can activate the ability as many times as you can afford, and since the en-Kor effect has a cost of 0, that's infinite. It just redirect the first point with the first one, then the next point is the first one again and it gets redirected also.

          – Andrew
          9 hours ago













          @Taemyr as for how long it lasts, the oracle text for Temper says " Prevent the next X damage that would be dealt to target creature this turn. For each 1 damage prevented this way, put a +1/+1 counter on that creature." IT lasts to the end of the turn.

          – Andrew
          9 hours ago






          @Taemyr as for how long it lasts, the oracle text for Temper says " Prevent the next X damage that would be dealt to target creature this turn. For each 1 damage prevented this way, put a +1/+1 counter on that creature." IT lasts to the end of the turn.

          – Andrew
          9 hours ago


















          draft saved

          draft discarded
















































          Thanks for contributing an answer to Board & Card Games Stack Exchange!


          • Please be sure to answer the question. Provide details and share your research!

          But avoid


          • Asking for help, clarification, or responding to other answers.

          • Making statements based on opinion; back them up with references or personal experience.

          To learn more, see our tips on writing great answers.




          draft saved


          draft discarded














          StackExchange.ready(
          function ()
          StackExchange.openid.initPostLogin('.new-post-login', 'https%3a%2f%2fboardgames.stackexchange.com%2fquestions%2f45446%2fthe-spell-temper-old-card-effect-in-combat-damage-resolution%23new-answer', 'question_page');

          );

          Post as a guest















          Required, but never shown





















































          Required, but never shown














          Required, but never shown












          Required, but never shown







          Required, but never shown

































          Required, but never shown














          Required, but never shown












          Required, but never shown







          Required, but never shown







          Popular posts from this blog

          Creating 100m^2 grid automatically using QGIS?Creating grid constrained within polygon in QGIS?Createing polygon layer from point data using QGIS?Creating vector grid using QGIS?Creating grid polygons from coordinates using R or PythonCreating grid from spatio temporal point data?Creating fields in attributes table using other layers using QGISCreate .shp vector grid in QGISQGIS Creating 4km point grid within polygonsCreate a vector grid over a raster layerVector Grid Creates just one grid

          What is this called? Old film camera viewer?What makes a good film camera?What to do with an old film camera?What should one look for when buying a used film camera?What is the value and age of this pre-1967 Ricoh 35 mm camera?DSLR recommendation, question about old Canon 35mm film Camera & lensesCan anyone identify the silver rangefinder-style camera in this advertisement?What kind of a Polaroid 600-camera is this?Will an old film camera still work even when not used in a very long time?What is this camera / Can I develop the film?How to fit an action camera into antique (bellows) housing?What to check when buying used and old film bodies?

          Why is this plane circling around the Lucknow airport every day?Why do aircraft on Flight Radar 24 jump around randomly sometimes?What airport has this walkway over a taxiway?How does Chicago O'Hare's tower sequence aircraft at peak capacity?Which airport is featured in this Delta commercial?After a crash, for how long is the airport closed?Can a passenger plane stand still in the air, or hover at a fixed location above a ground?What are those trucks towing around, and why?What is this airport outside of Cairo, Egypt?Which US airport has the lowest circling MDH?What is this airport video?