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My workplace encourages employees to sit in the right ergonomic position to minimize stress and fatigue related to bad posture. This is completely new to me and my previous employers have never stressed any of this.
We have nice comfy chairs and height adjustable sit-stand workstations.
Problem
However much the employer is stressing on right posture by discussing it in a "safety moment" during meetings or by putting fliers on notice boards, people still seem to like to slide under the desk when they work (especially post lunch hours).
Suggested solution
We could inform my colleagues, during our monthly meeting, that they will be hearing a beep over the PA system. They could use this beep as an audio cue to re-align or adjust the posture.
- This is least non-invasive way of telling someone to adjust
themselves and prevent injury. - Other visual cues such as flier and pin-ups have not done the trick
I'm hesitant to suggest this solution to my employer as I could not find any precedence or I do not know if this would be a right way to remind people of something. (This tends to be psychological, as a beep is making one do things that one would not normally do)
Would it be right to suggest this? If so, how would I go about making this suggestion?
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My workplace encourages employees to sit in the right ergonomic position to minimize stress and fatigue related to bad posture. This is completely new to me and my previous employers have never stressed any of this.
We have nice comfy chairs and height adjustable sit-stand workstations.
Problem
However much the employer is stressing on right posture by discussing it in a "safety moment" during meetings or by putting fliers on notice boards, people still seem to like to slide under the desk when they work (especially post lunch hours).
Suggested solution
We could inform my colleagues, during our monthly meeting, that they will be hearing a beep over the PA system. They could use this beep as an audio cue to re-align or adjust the posture.
- This is least non-invasive way of telling someone to adjust
themselves and prevent injury. - Other visual cues such as flier and pin-ups have not done the trick
I'm hesitant to suggest this solution to my employer as I could not find any precedence or I do not know if this would be a right way to remind people of something. (This tends to be psychological, as a beep is making one do things that one would not normally do)
Would it be right to suggest this? If so, how would I go about making this suggestion?
work-environment health ergonomics
New contributor
30
However good the intentions are, what would you do to make sure this audio cue doesn't just become annoying or distracting during other activities?
– Kozaky
13 hours ago
10
@Prasanna There is nothing "hahaha"-worthy here. The high beeps would be annoying to most, the low beeps won't serve their purpose. That's it, reason enough.
– Sourav Ghosh
11 hours ago
4
@Prasanna I'm no offended, I'm saying do not take this possibility of annoyance lightly. You want to educate employees, fine, educate away, but don't try to shove down some "good practice" into their throat. It'll mostly have adverse effects.
– Sourav Ghosh
11 hours ago
5
What is your exact role here? Are you in charge of workplace safety, or involved in the workplace safety group, or...?
– user3067860
8 hours ago
2
Yeah really, who appointed you the posture police?
– George M
5 hours ago
|
show 8 more comments
My workplace encourages employees to sit in the right ergonomic position to minimize stress and fatigue related to bad posture. This is completely new to me and my previous employers have never stressed any of this.
We have nice comfy chairs and height adjustable sit-stand workstations.
Problem
However much the employer is stressing on right posture by discussing it in a "safety moment" during meetings or by putting fliers on notice boards, people still seem to like to slide under the desk when they work (especially post lunch hours).
Suggested solution
We could inform my colleagues, during our monthly meeting, that they will be hearing a beep over the PA system. They could use this beep as an audio cue to re-align or adjust the posture.
- This is least non-invasive way of telling someone to adjust
themselves and prevent injury. - Other visual cues such as flier and pin-ups have not done the trick
I'm hesitant to suggest this solution to my employer as I could not find any precedence or I do not know if this would be a right way to remind people of something. (This tends to be psychological, as a beep is making one do things that one would not normally do)
Would it be right to suggest this? If so, how would I go about making this suggestion?
work-environment health ergonomics
New contributor
My workplace encourages employees to sit in the right ergonomic position to minimize stress and fatigue related to bad posture. This is completely new to me and my previous employers have never stressed any of this.
We have nice comfy chairs and height adjustable sit-stand workstations.
Problem
However much the employer is stressing on right posture by discussing it in a "safety moment" during meetings or by putting fliers on notice boards, people still seem to like to slide under the desk when they work (especially post lunch hours).
Suggested solution
We could inform my colleagues, during our monthly meeting, that they will be hearing a beep over the PA system. They could use this beep as an audio cue to re-align or adjust the posture.
- This is least non-invasive way of telling someone to adjust
themselves and prevent injury. - Other visual cues such as flier and pin-ups have not done the trick
I'm hesitant to suggest this solution to my employer as I could not find any precedence or I do not know if this would be a right way to remind people of something. (This tends to be psychological, as a beep is making one do things that one would not normally do)
Would it be right to suggest this? If so, how would I go about making this suggestion?
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However good the intentions are, what would you do to make sure this audio cue doesn't just become annoying or distracting during other activities?
– Kozaky
13 hours ago
10
@Prasanna There is nothing "hahaha"-worthy here. The high beeps would be annoying to most, the low beeps won't serve their purpose. That's it, reason enough.
– Sourav Ghosh
11 hours ago
4
@Prasanna I'm no offended, I'm saying do not take this possibility of annoyance lightly. You want to educate employees, fine, educate away, but don't try to shove down some "good practice" into their throat. It'll mostly have adverse effects.
– Sourav Ghosh
11 hours ago
5
What is your exact role here? Are you in charge of workplace safety, or involved in the workplace safety group, or...?
– user3067860
8 hours ago
2
Yeah really, who appointed you the posture police?
– George M
5 hours ago
|
show 8 more comments
30
However good the intentions are, what would you do to make sure this audio cue doesn't just become annoying or distracting during other activities?
– Kozaky
13 hours ago
10
@Prasanna There is nothing "hahaha"-worthy here. The high beeps would be annoying to most, the low beeps won't serve their purpose. That's it, reason enough.
– Sourav Ghosh
11 hours ago
4
@Prasanna I'm no offended, I'm saying do not take this possibility of annoyance lightly. You want to educate employees, fine, educate away, but don't try to shove down some "good practice" into their throat. It'll mostly have adverse effects.
– Sourav Ghosh
11 hours ago
5
What is your exact role here? Are you in charge of workplace safety, or involved in the workplace safety group, or...?
– user3067860
8 hours ago
2
Yeah really, who appointed you the posture police?
– George M
5 hours ago
30
30
However good the intentions are, what would you do to make sure this audio cue doesn't just become annoying or distracting during other activities?
– Kozaky
13 hours ago
However good the intentions are, what would you do to make sure this audio cue doesn't just become annoying or distracting during other activities?
– Kozaky
13 hours ago
10
10
@Prasanna There is nothing "hahaha"-worthy here. The high beeps would be annoying to most, the low beeps won't serve their purpose. That's it, reason enough.
– Sourav Ghosh
11 hours ago
@Prasanna There is nothing "hahaha"-worthy here. The high beeps would be annoying to most, the low beeps won't serve their purpose. That's it, reason enough.
– Sourav Ghosh
11 hours ago
4
4
@Prasanna I'm no offended, I'm saying do not take this possibility of annoyance lightly. You want to educate employees, fine, educate away, but don't try to shove down some "good practice" into their throat. It'll mostly have adverse effects.
– Sourav Ghosh
11 hours ago
@Prasanna I'm no offended, I'm saying do not take this possibility of annoyance lightly. You want to educate employees, fine, educate away, but don't try to shove down some "good practice" into their throat. It'll mostly have adverse effects.
– Sourav Ghosh
11 hours ago
5
5
What is your exact role here? Are you in charge of workplace safety, or involved in the workplace safety group, or...?
– user3067860
8 hours ago
What is your exact role here? Are you in charge of workplace safety, or involved in the workplace safety group, or...?
– user3067860
8 hours ago
2
2
Yeah really, who appointed you the posture police?
– George M
5 hours ago
Yeah really, who appointed you the posture police?
– George M
5 hours ago
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I believe there should be a line somewhere between suggesting / advising good practice and appearing pushy for implementation. You don't need to chase everyone, individually to make them follow the advise.
Your organization made enough attempts to make the employees aware of the danger and given them guidelines for safe posture. Now it's up to them to comply. They're not kids. The organization can, periodically keep the campaign running, in form of the usual
"[....] discussing in safety moment during meetings or by putting fliers in notice boards, [...]"
If someone wants to follow the bad and dangerous habits, that's their choice [1]. Nothing you try to do, most likely, will have any effect.
Oh, and please drop the idea of using the audio beep over the PA, it'll be hugely counter-productive, causing unnecessary distraction and annoyance.
[1]: Example: People smoke, despite the packets clearly showing "Smoking kills" and "Tobacco causes cancer".
27
Not to mention that regularly hearing a beep over the PA system would be supremely annoying and distracting.
– David K
13 hours ago
@DavidK Completely agree, added a note into teh answer itself.
– Sourav Ghosh
12 hours ago
@DavidK, not a regular annoying beep like the ones when the building is on a fire drill. Please do not think of it in such extreme scenario. I don't think people get annoyed by notification messages from the phone.
– Prasanna
11 hours ago
10
@Prasanna How do you know people don't get annoyed from random phone notifications? I do, at my workplace, while working. At times, even the noise from having the phone in vibration mode, placed on a solid surface can cause distractions.
– Sourav Ghosh
11 hours ago
3
@Prasanna It depends on how often, how loud, and what type of noise they would be. Even a quiet beep every 10 minutes would drive me crazy. A quiet chime every hour on the hour could maybe be tolerable. If you want some external reminder for people to sit up, you'd be better off associating it with something that already exists in your office: every time you hear a phone ring, or when you check your email, or when you take a drink of coffee/water.
– David K
11 hours ago
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People tend to react strongly against:
1) Being spied upon and having transgressions alerted to everyone in the office
2) Being told how to live their lives
3) Being distracted when someone else in the team earns the "posture police" alarm tone (assuming they can hear it over their headphones)
4) People in the team who repeatedly and intentionally sets off the alarm and blames someone else
Companies are pretty good at ensuring that you have an ergonomically healthy working environment, but they have no obligation to make sure that you stay that way.
If you want to continue having good posture while working, that's great - but you can't expect to enforce the same in others.
The organization does not punish people for bad posture. Neither it is policing. It is not as extreme as you make it sound. It is not like hearing "Please mind the gap" before you exit a metro train in Singapore. It sounds every single time the door opens. A random beep - like a sound from a mobile phone - should not be as bad .. I guess...
– Prasanna
12 hours ago
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@Prasanna If you're already set on the solution of using an audible beep, why are you asking about it here? Instead of arguing with every answer, read them and understand what they're saying. An audible beep is a terrible idea. Don't do it.
– only_pro
9 hours ago
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We could inform my colleagues, during our monthly meeting, that they will be hearing a beep over the PA system. They could use this beep as an audio cue to re-align or adjust the posture.
Oh holy noodle.. that sounds truly awful.
Not only is it guaranteed to be annoy a large portion of the workforce it also wont be particularly effective. Assuming you have to do this "beep" reasonably frequently (because otherwise you're going to go so long between reminders that people will be spending hours in the "wrong" posture) then either people will succeed in effectively ignoring the "beep" (in which case it won't be prompting any action) or they won't be able to and it will be intensely irritating (there's a very good reason why the Annoy A Tron sold very well as a prank device!).
The use of a recurring beep to get people to do something is effective (think seat belt warning bongs in cars) but it's only effective because the beeping stops if they do what it wants. In your example you have no such feedback loop - everyone who is sitting in a good posture when the beep goes off is effectively being admonished to do what they are already doing and that's as irritating as all hell.
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Assuming your colleages are all grown-ups I find it quite ridiculous to have a posture police to make everyone sit straight. I bet they are all very aware of the damages bad posture can cause. It is up to them to decide what to do with that information.
And what's next? Enforce a healthy food policy and beep on people's ears when they have chocolate and soft drinks for lunch?
No..No...no .. I did not intend to take it in this route. It is not policing that I suggest. I feel somehow people get lost with the work and forget good posture and end up having pain. That is why. I suggested this. No idea of policing or fixing people with beeps...
– Prasanna
12 hours ago
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Well, it sure looks like a lot of policing to me.
– GustavoMP
11 hours ago
1
@GustavoMP , surprisingly it's now pretty common that companies "encourage" employees to go to the gym, eat well etc! We're all children now
– Fattie
11 hours ago
@Prasanna I think you would have to police it. How else will you know if the results are worth the cost of annoying some of your colleagues? Believe me... even the most optimistic outcome will result in a vocal opposition, regardless of the way you remind them.
– zarose
6 hours ago
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Worst. Idea. EVER.
First - Go to any site (or even google) advice how to keep focus at work. In most in the "worst" three there are audio cues. All advise to turn of outlook notifications, Skype/lynk/communicators "pings", generally block distractions.
Here you are adding distraction for everyone targeted at one person. At random time you take 15 minutes of "refocusing" from everyone because one person didn't sit straight. It take 7 minutes for person to change posture. So you can end up in people never really focusing on their jobs. Rather focusing on sitting straight to not hear that damn beep.
Second - having an irregular sound cue would lead to irritation (and could be classified as "hostile environment") in the work place. People like regular sounds. That's why 4/4 rhythm is popular while 7/11 is not.
Third - People tend to take the most comfortable position. Sliding under the desk is one of them. It's VERY ergonomic.
Best solution - buy chairs that help keep proper posture. Nice comfy chair don't mean it's good chair to work in. Club chair may be comfy to sit in but not for working.
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I myself struggle with maintaining my posture sometimes, and have found browser extensions/add-ons to be a useful solution.
I use one called PostureMinder (available on Firefox as well as Chrome to my knowledge, and maybe others). You simply set it to pop-up small desktop messages every x minutes to remind you to maintain a good posture. There are options for it to provide an audio queue also.
You could either encourage staff to set this up in their browsers, or have it be mandatory if you have that sort of authority and deem it necessary. They can then configure it or disable it to their liking.
As other users have said, at the end of the day you can't control every aspect of what people do but this is a relatively lightweight way of giving people the option to be aware of their posture.
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I believe there should be a line somewhere between suggesting / advising good practice and appearing pushy for implementation. You don't need to chase everyone, individually to make them follow the advise.
Your organization made enough attempts to make the employees aware of the danger and given them guidelines for safe posture. Now it's up to them to comply. They're not kids. The organization can, periodically keep the campaign running, in form of the usual
"[....] discussing in safety moment during meetings or by putting fliers in notice boards, [...]"
If someone wants to follow the bad and dangerous habits, that's their choice [1]. Nothing you try to do, most likely, will have any effect.
Oh, and please drop the idea of using the audio beep over the PA, it'll be hugely counter-productive, causing unnecessary distraction and annoyance.
[1]: Example: People smoke, despite the packets clearly showing "Smoking kills" and "Tobacco causes cancer".
27
Not to mention that regularly hearing a beep over the PA system would be supremely annoying and distracting.
– David K
13 hours ago
@DavidK Completely agree, added a note into teh answer itself.
– Sourav Ghosh
12 hours ago
@DavidK, not a regular annoying beep like the ones when the building is on a fire drill. Please do not think of it in such extreme scenario. I don't think people get annoyed by notification messages from the phone.
– Prasanna
11 hours ago
10
@Prasanna How do you know people don't get annoyed from random phone notifications? I do, at my workplace, while working. At times, even the noise from having the phone in vibration mode, placed on a solid surface can cause distractions.
– Sourav Ghosh
11 hours ago
3
@Prasanna It depends on how often, how loud, and what type of noise they would be. Even a quiet beep every 10 minutes would drive me crazy. A quiet chime every hour on the hour could maybe be tolerable. If you want some external reminder for people to sit up, you'd be better off associating it with something that already exists in your office: every time you hear a phone ring, or when you check your email, or when you take a drink of coffee/water.
– David K
11 hours ago
|
show 8 more comments
I believe there should be a line somewhere between suggesting / advising good practice and appearing pushy for implementation. You don't need to chase everyone, individually to make them follow the advise.
Your organization made enough attempts to make the employees aware of the danger and given them guidelines for safe posture. Now it's up to them to comply. They're not kids. The organization can, periodically keep the campaign running, in form of the usual
"[....] discussing in safety moment during meetings or by putting fliers in notice boards, [...]"
If someone wants to follow the bad and dangerous habits, that's their choice [1]. Nothing you try to do, most likely, will have any effect.
Oh, and please drop the idea of using the audio beep over the PA, it'll be hugely counter-productive, causing unnecessary distraction and annoyance.
[1]: Example: People smoke, despite the packets clearly showing "Smoking kills" and "Tobacco causes cancer".
27
Not to mention that regularly hearing a beep over the PA system would be supremely annoying and distracting.
– David K
13 hours ago
@DavidK Completely agree, added a note into teh answer itself.
– Sourav Ghosh
12 hours ago
@DavidK, not a regular annoying beep like the ones when the building is on a fire drill. Please do not think of it in such extreme scenario. I don't think people get annoyed by notification messages from the phone.
– Prasanna
11 hours ago
10
@Prasanna How do you know people don't get annoyed from random phone notifications? I do, at my workplace, while working. At times, even the noise from having the phone in vibration mode, placed on a solid surface can cause distractions.
– Sourav Ghosh
11 hours ago
3
@Prasanna It depends on how often, how loud, and what type of noise they would be. Even a quiet beep every 10 minutes would drive me crazy. A quiet chime every hour on the hour could maybe be tolerable. If you want some external reminder for people to sit up, you'd be better off associating it with something that already exists in your office: every time you hear a phone ring, or when you check your email, or when you take a drink of coffee/water.
– David K
11 hours ago
|
show 8 more comments
I believe there should be a line somewhere between suggesting / advising good practice and appearing pushy for implementation. You don't need to chase everyone, individually to make them follow the advise.
Your organization made enough attempts to make the employees aware of the danger and given them guidelines for safe posture. Now it's up to them to comply. They're not kids. The organization can, periodically keep the campaign running, in form of the usual
"[....] discussing in safety moment during meetings or by putting fliers in notice boards, [...]"
If someone wants to follow the bad and dangerous habits, that's their choice [1]. Nothing you try to do, most likely, will have any effect.
Oh, and please drop the idea of using the audio beep over the PA, it'll be hugely counter-productive, causing unnecessary distraction and annoyance.
[1]: Example: People smoke, despite the packets clearly showing "Smoking kills" and "Tobacco causes cancer".
I believe there should be a line somewhere between suggesting / advising good practice and appearing pushy for implementation. You don't need to chase everyone, individually to make them follow the advise.
Your organization made enough attempts to make the employees aware of the danger and given them guidelines for safe posture. Now it's up to them to comply. They're not kids. The organization can, periodically keep the campaign running, in form of the usual
"[....] discussing in safety moment during meetings or by putting fliers in notice boards, [...]"
If someone wants to follow the bad and dangerous habits, that's their choice [1]. Nothing you try to do, most likely, will have any effect.
Oh, and please drop the idea of using the audio beep over the PA, it'll be hugely counter-productive, causing unnecessary distraction and annoyance.
[1]: Example: People smoke, despite the packets clearly showing "Smoking kills" and "Tobacco causes cancer".
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Not to mention that regularly hearing a beep over the PA system would be supremely annoying and distracting.
– David K
13 hours ago
@DavidK Completely agree, added a note into teh answer itself.
– Sourav Ghosh
12 hours ago
@DavidK, not a regular annoying beep like the ones when the building is on a fire drill. Please do not think of it in such extreme scenario. I don't think people get annoyed by notification messages from the phone.
– Prasanna
11 hours ago
10
@Prasanna How do you know people don't get annoyed from random phone notifications? I do, at my workplace, while working. At times, even the noise from having the phone in vibration mode, placed on a solid surface can cause distractions.
– Sourav Ghosh
11 hours ago
3
@Prasanna It depends on how often, how loud, and what type of noise they would be. Even a quiet beep every 10 minutes would drive me crazy. A quiet chime every hour on the hour could maybe be tolerable. If you want some external reminder for people to sit up, you'd be better off associating it with something that already exists in your office: every time you hear a phone ring, or when you check your email, or when you take a drink of coffee/water.
– David K
11 hours ago
|
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Not to mention that regularly hearing a beep over the PA system would be supremely annoying and distracting.
– David K
13 hours ago
@DavidK Completely agree, added a note into teh answer itself.
– Sourav Ghosh
12 hours ago
@DavidK, not a regular annoying beep like the ones when the building is on a fire drill. Please do not think of it in such extreme scenario. I don't think people get annoyed by notification messages from the phone.
– Prasanna
11 hours ago
10
@Prasanna How do you know people don't get annoyed from random phone notifications? I do, at my workplace, while working. At times, even the noise from having the phone in vibration mode, placed on a solid surface can cause distractions.
– Sourav Ghosh
11 hours ago
3
@Prasanna It depends on how often, how loud, and what type of noise they would be. Even a quiet beep every 10 minutes would drive me crazy. A quiet chime every hour on the hour could maybe be tolerable. If you want some external reminder for people to sit up, you'd be better off associating it with something that already exists in your office: every time you hear a phone ring, or when you check your email, or when you take a drink of coffee/water.
– David K
11 hours ago
27
27
Not to mention that regularly hearing a beep over the PA system would be supremely annoying and distracting.
– David K
13 hours ago
Not to mention that regularly hearing a beep over the PA system would be supremely annoying and distracting.
– David K
13 hours ago
@DavidK Completely agree, added a note into teh answer itself.
– Sourav Ghosh
12 hours ago
@DavidK Completely agree, added a note into teh answer itself.
– Sourav Ghosh
12 hours ago
@DavidK, not a regular annoying beep like the ones when the building is on a fire drill. Please do not think of it in such extreme scenario. I don't think people get annoyed by notification messages from the phone.
– Prasanna
11 hours ago
@DavidK, not a regular annoying beep like the ones when the building is on a fire drill. Please do not think of it in such extreme scenario. I don't think people get annoyed by notification messages from the phone.
– Prasanna
11 hours ago
10
10
@Prasanna How do you know people don't get annoyed from random phone notifications? I do, at my workplace, while working. At times, even the noise from having the phone in vibration mode, placed on a solid surface can cause distractions.
– Sourav Ghosh
11 hours ago
@Prasanna How do you know people don't get annoyed from random phone notifications? I do, at my workplace, while working. At times, even the noise from having the phone in vibration mode, placed on a solid surface can cause distractions.
– Sourav Ghosh
11 hours ago
3
3
@Prasanna It depends on how often, how loud, and what type of noise they would be. Even a quiet beep every 10 minutes would drive me crazy. A quiet chime every hour on the hour could maybe be tolerable. If you want some external reminder for people to sit up, you'd be better off associating it with something that already exists in your office: every time you hear a phone ring, or when you check your email, or when you take a drink of coffee/water.
– David K
11 hours ago
@Prasanna It depends on how often, how loud, and what type of noise they would be. Even a quiet beep every 10 minutes would drive me crazy. A quiet chime every hour on the hour could maybe be tolerable. If you want some external reminder for people to sit up, you'd be better off associating it with something that already exists in your office: every time you hear a phone ring, or when you check your email, or when you take a drink of coffee/water.
– David K
11 hours ago
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People tend to react strongly against:
1) Being spied upon and having transgressions alerted to everyone in the office
2) Being told how to live their lives
3) Being distracted when someone else in the team earns the "posture police" alarm tone (assuming they can hear it over their headphones)
4) People in the team who repeatedly and intentionally sets off the alarm and blames someone else
Companies are pretty good at ensuring that you have an ergonomically healthy working environment, but they have no obligation to make sure that you stay that way.
If you want to continue having good posture while working, that's great - but you can't expect to enforce the same in others.
The organization does not punish people for bad posture. Neither it is policing. It is not as extreme as you make it sound. It is not like hearing "Please mind the gap" before you exit a metro train in Singapore. It sounds every single time the door opens. A random beep - like a sound from a mobile phone - should not be as bad .. I guess...
– Prasanna
12 hours ago
16
@Prasanna If you're already set on the solution of using an audible beep, why are you asking about it here? Instead of arguing with every answer, read them and understand what they're saying. An audible beep is a terrible idea. Don't do it.
– only_pro
9 hours ago
add a comment |
People tend to react strongly against:
1) Being spied upon and having transgressions alerted to everyone in the office
2) Being told how to live their lives
3) Being distracted when someone else in the team earns the "posture police" alarm tone (assuming they can hear it over their headphones)
4) People in the team who repeatedly and intentionally sets off the alarm and blames someone else
Companies are pretty good at ensuring that you have an ergonomically healthy working environment, but they have no obligation to make sure that you stay that way.
If you want to continue having good posture while working, that's great - but you can't expect to enforce the same in others.
The organization does not punish people for bad posture. Neither it is policing. It is not as extreme as you make it sound. It is not like hearing "Please mind the gap" before you exit a metro train in Singapore. It sounds every single time the door opens. A random beep - like a sound from a mobile phone - should not be as bad .. I guess...
– Prasanna
12 hours ago
16
@Prasanna If you're already set on the solution of using an audible beep, why are you asking about it here? Instead of arguing with every answer, read them and understand what they're saying. An audible beep is a terrible idea. Don't do it.
– only_pro
9 hours ago
add a comment |
People tend to react strongly against:
1) Being spied upon and having transgressions alerted to everyone in the office
2) Being told how to live their lives
3) Being distracted when someone else in the team earns the "posture police" alarm tone (assuming they can hear it over their headphones)
4) People in the team who repeatedly and intentionally sets off the alarm and blames someone else
Companies are pretty good at ensuring that you have an ergonomically healthy working environment, but they have no obligation to make sure that you stay that way.
If you want to continue having good posture while working, that's great - but you can't expect to enforce the same in others.
People tend to react strongly against:
1) Being spied upon and having transgressions alerted to everyone in the office
2) Being told how to live their lives
3) Being distracted when someone else in the team earns the "posture police" alarm tone (assuming they can hear it over their headphones)
4) People in the team who repeatedly and intentionally sets off the alarm and blames someone else
Companies are pretty good at ensuring that you have an ergonomically healthy working environment, but they have no obligation to make sure that you stay that way.
If you want to continue having good posture while working, that's great - but you can't expect to enforce the same in others.
edited 13 hours ago
answered 13 hours ago
Snow♦Snow
64.2k52211257
64.2k52211257
The organization does not punish people for bad posture. Neither it is policing. It is not as extreme as you make it sound. It is not like hearing "Please mind the gap" before you exit a metro train in Singapore. It sounds every single time the door opens. A random beep - like a sound from a mobile phone - should not be as bad .. I guess...
– Prasanna
12 hours ago
16
@Prasanna If you're already set on the solution of using an audible beep, why are you asking about it here? Instead of arguing with every answer, read them and understand what they're saying. An audible beep is a terrible idea. Don't do it.
– only_pro
9 hours ago
add a comment |
The organization does not punish people for bad posture. Neither it is policing. It is not as extreme as you make it sound. It is not like hearing "Please mind the gap" before you exit a metro train in Singapore. It sounds every single time the door opens. A random beep - like a sound from a mobile phone - should not be as bad .. I guess...
– Prasanna
12 hours ago
16
@Prasanna If you're already set on the solution of using an audible beep, why are you asking about it here? Instead of arguing with every answer, read them and understand what they're saying. An audible beep is a terrible idea. Don't do it.
– only_pro
9 hours ago
The organization does not punish people for bad posture. Neither it is policing. It is not as extreme as you make it sound. It is not like hearing "Please mind the gap" before you exit a metro train in Singapore. It sounds every single time the door opens. A random beep - like a sound from a mobile phone - should not be as bad .. I guess...
– Prasanna
12 hours ago
The organization does not punish people for bad posture. Neither it is policing. It is not as extreme as you make it sound. It is not like hearing "Please mind the gap" before you exit a metro train in Singapore. It sounds every single time the door opens. A random beep - like a sound from a mobile phone - should not be as bad .. I guess...
– Prasanna
12 hours ago
16
16
@Prasanna If you're already set on the solution of using an audible beep, why are you asking about it here? Instead of arguing with every answer, read them and understand what they're saying. An audible beep is a terrible idea. Don't do it.
– only_pro
9 hours ago
@Prasanna If you're already set on the solution of using an audible beep, why are you asking about it here? Instead of arguing with every answer, read them and understand what they're saying. An audible beep is a terrible idea. Don't do it.
– only_pro
9 hours ago
add a comment |
We could inform my colleagues, during our monthly meeting, that they will be hearing a beep over the PA system. They could use this beep as an audio cue to re-align or adjust the posture.
Oh holy noodle.. that sounds truly awful.
Not only is it guaranteed to be annoy a large portion of the workforce it also wont be particularly effective. Assuming you have to do this "beep" reasonably frequently (because otherwise you're going to go so long between reminders that people will be spending hours in the "wrong" posture) then either people will succeed in effectively ignoring the "beep" (in which case it won't be prompting any action) or they won't be able to and it will be intensely irritating (there's a very good reason why the Annoy A Tron sold very well as a prank device!).
The use of a recurring beep to get people to do something is effective (think seat belt warning bongs in cars) but it's only effective because the beeping stops if they do what it wants. In your example you have no such feedback loop - everyone who is sitting in a good posture when the beep goes off is effectively being admonished to do what they are already doing and that's as irritating as all hell.
add a comment |
We could inform my colleagues, during our monthly meeting, that they will be hearing a beep over the PA system. They could use this beep as an audio cue to re-align or adjust the posture.
Oh holy noodle.. that sounds truly awful.
Not only is it guaranteed to be annoy a large portion of the workforce it also wont be particularly effective. Assuming you have to do this "beep" reasonably frequently (because otherwise you're going to go so long between reminders that people will be spending hours in the "wrong" posture) then either people will succeed in effectively ignoring the "beep" (in which case it won't be prompting any action) or they won't be able to and it will be intensely irritating (there's a very good reason why the Annoy A Tron sold very well as a prank device!).
The use of a recurring beep to get people to do something is effective (think seat belt warning bongs in cars) but it's only effective because the beeping stops if they do what it wants. In your example you have no such feedback loop - everyone who is sitting in a good posture when the beep goes off is effectively being admonished to do what they are already doing and that's as irritating as all hell.
add a comment |
We could inform my colleagues, during our monthly meeting, that they will be hearing a beep over the PA system. They could use this beep as an audio cue to re-align or adjust the posture.
Oh holy noodle.. that sounds truly awful.
Not only is it guaranteed to be annoy a large portion of the workforce it also wont be particularly effective. Assuming you have to do this "beep" reasonably frequently (because otherwise you're going to go so long between reminders that people will be spending hours in the "wrong" posture) then either people will succeed in effectively ignoring the "beep" (in which case it won't be prompting any action) or they won't be able to and it will be intensely irritating (there's a very good reason why the Annoy A Tron sold very well as a prank device!).
The use of a recurring beep to get people to do something is effective (think seat belt warning bongs in cars) but it's only effective because the beeping stops if they do what it wants. In your example you have no such feedback loop - everyone who is sitting in a good posture when the beep goes off is effectively being admonished to do what they are already doing and that's as irritating as all hell.
We could inform my colleagues, during our monthly meeting, that they will be hearing a beep over the PA system. They could use this beep as an audio cue to re-align or adjust the posture.
Oh holy noodle.. that sounds truly awful.
Not only is it guaranteed to be annoy a large portion of the workforce it also wont be particularly effective. Assuming you have to do this "beep" reasonably frequently (because otherwise you're going to go so long between reminders that people will be spending hours in the "wrong" posture) then either people will succeed in effectively ignoring the "beep" (in which case it won't be prompting any action) or they won't be able to and it will be intensely irritating (there's a very good reason why the Annoy A Tron sold very well as a prank device!).
The use of a recurring beep to get people to do something is effective (think seat belt warning bongs in cars) but it's only effective because the beeping stops if they do what it wants. In your example you have no such feedback loop - everyone who is sitting in a good posture when the beep goes off is effectively being admonished to do what they are already doing and that's as irritating as all hell.
answered 12 hours ago
motosubatsumotosubatsu
53.5k28142213
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Assuming your colleages are all grown-ups I find it quite ridiculous to have a posture police to make everyone sit straight. I bet they are all very aware of the damages bad posture can cause. It is up to them to decide what to do with that information.
And what's next? Enforce a healthy food policy and beep on people's ears when they have chocolate and soft drinks for lunch?
No..No...no .. I did not intend to take it in this route. It is not policing that I suggest. I feel somehow people get lost with the work and forget good posture and end up having pain. That is why. I suggested this. No idea of policing or fixing people with beeps...
– Prasanna
12 hours ago
7
Well, it sure looks like a lot of policing to me.
– GustavoMP
11 hours ago
1
@GustavoMP , surprisingly it's now pretty common that companies "encourage" employees to go to the gym, eat well etc! We're all children now
– Fattie
11 hours ago
@Prasanna I think you would have to police it. How else will you know if the results are worth the cost of annoying some of your colleagues? Believe me... even the most optimistic outcome will result in a vocal opposition, regardless of the way you remind them.
– zarose
6 hours ago
add a comment |
Assuming your colleages are all grown-ups I find it quite ridiculous to have a posture police to make everyone sit straight. I bet they are all very aware of the damages bad posture can cause. It is up to them to decide what to do with that information.
And what's next? Enforce a healthy food policy and beep on people's ears when they have chocolate and soft drinks for lunch?
No..No...no .. I did not intend to take it in this route. It is not policing that I suggest. I feel somehow people get lost with the work and forget good posture and end up having pain. That is why. I suggested this. No idea of policing or fixing people with beeps...
– Prasanna
12 hours ago
7
Well, it sure looks like a lot of policing to me.
– GustavoMP
11 hours ago
1
@GustavoMP , surprisingly it's now pretty common that companies "encourage" employees to go to the gym, eat well etc! We're all children now
– Fattie
11 hours ago
@Prasanna I think you would have to police it. How else will you know if the results are worth the cost of annoying some of your colleagues? Believe me... even the most optimistic outcome will result in a vocal opposition, regardless of the way you remind them.
– zarose
6 hours ago
add a comment |
Assuming your colleages are all grown-ups I find it quite ridiculous to have a posture police to make everyone sit straight. I bet they are all very aware of the damages bad posture can cause. It is up to them to decide what to do with that information.
And what's next? Enforce a healthy food policy and beep on people's ears when they have chocolate and soft drinks for lunch?
Assuming your colleages are all grown-ups I find it quite ridiculous to have a posture police to make everyone sit straight. I bet they are all very aware of the damages bad posture can cause. It is up to them to decide what to do with that information.
And what's next? Enforce a healthy food policy and beep on people's ears when they have chocolate and soft drinks for lunch?
answered 12 hours ago
GustavoMPGustavoMP
3,23541218
3,23541218
No..No...no .. I did not intend to take it in this route. It is not policing that I suggest. I feel somehow people get lost with the work and forget good posture and end up having pain. That is why. I suggested this. No idea of policing or fixing people with beeps...
– Prasanna
12 hours ago
7
Well, it sure looks like a lot of policing to me.
– GustavoMP
11 hours ago
1
@GustavoMP , surprisingly it's now pretty common that companies "encourage" employees to go to the gym, eat well etc! We're all children now
– Fattie
11 hours ago
@Prasanna I think you would have to police it. How else will you know if the results are worth the cost of annoying some of your colleagues? Believe me... even the most optimistic outcome will result in a vocal opposition, regardless of the way you remind them.
– zarose
6 hours ago
add a comment |
No..No...no .. I did not intend to take it in this route. It is not policing that I suggest. I feel somehow people get lost with the work and forget good posture and end up having pain. That is why. I suggested this. No idea of policing or fixing people with beeps...
– Prasanna
12 hours ago
7
Well, it sure looks like a lot of policing to me.
– GustavoMP
11 hours ago
1
@GustavoMP , surprisingly it's now pretty common that companies "encourage" employees to go to the gym, eat well etc! We're all children now
– Fattie
11 hours ago
@Prasanna I think you would have to police it. How else will you know if the results are worth the cost of annoying some of your colleagues? Believe me... even the most optimistic outcome will result in a vocal opposition, regardless of the way you remind them.
– zarose
6 hours ago
No..No...no .. I did not intend to take it in this route. It is not policing that I suggest. I feel somehow people get lost with the work and forget good posture and end up having pain. That is why. I suggested this. No idea of policing or fixing people with beeps...
– Prasanna
12 hours ago
No..No...no .. I did not intend to take it in this route. It is not policing that I suggest. I feel somehow people get lost with the work and forget good posture and end up having pain. That is why. I suggested this. No idea of policing or fixing people with beeps...
– Prasanna
12 hours ago
7
7
Well, it sure looks like a lot of policing to me.
– GustavoMP
11 hours ago
Well, it sure looks like a lot of policing to me.
– GustavoMP
11 hours ago
1
1
@GustavoMP , surprisingly it's now pretty common that companies "encourage" employees to go to the gym, eat well etc! We're all children now
– Fattie
11 hours ago
@GustavoMP , surprisingly it's now pretty common that companies "encourage" employees to go to the gym, eat well etc! We're all children now
– Fattie
11 hours ago
@Prasanna I think you would have to police it. How else will you know if the results are worth the cost of annoying some of your colleagues? Believe me... even the most optimistic outcome will result in a vocal opposition, regardless of the way you remind them.
– zarose
6 hours ago
@Prasanna I think you would have to police it. How else will you know if the results are worth the cost of annoying some of your colleagues? Believe me... even the most optimistic outcome will result in a vocal opposition, regardless of the way you remind them.
– zarose
6 hours ago
add a comment |
Worst. Idea. EVER.
First - Go to any site (or even google) advice how to keep focus at work. In most in the "worst" three there are audio cues. All advise to turn of outlook notifications, Skype/lynk/communicators "pings", generally block distractions.
Here you are adding distraction for everyone targeted at one person. At random time you take 15 minutes of "refocusing" from everyone because one person didn't sit straight. It take 7 minutes for person to change posture. So you can end up in people never really focusing on their jobs. Rather focusing on sitting straight to not hear that damn beep.
Second - having an irregular sound cue would lead to irritation (and could be classified as "hostile environment") in the work place. People like regular sounds. That's why 4/4 rhythm is popular while 7/11 is not.
Third - People tend to take the most comfortable position. Sliding under the desk is one of them. It's VERY ergonomic.
Best solution - buy chairs that help keep proper posture. Nice comfy chair don't mean it's good chair to work in. Club chair may be comfy to sit in but not for working.
add a comment |
Worst. Idea. EVER.
First - Go to any site (or even google) advice how to keep focus at work. In most in the "worst" three there are audio cues. All advise to turn of outlook notifications, Skype/lynk/communicators "pings", generally block distractions.
Here you are adding distraction for everyone targeted at one person. At random time you take 15 minutes of "refocusing" from everyone because one person didn't sit straight. It take 7 minutes for person to change posture. So you can end up in people never really focusing on their jobs. Rather focusing on sitting straight to not hear that damn beep.
Second - having an irregular sound cue would lead to irritation (and could be classified as "hostile environment") in the work place. People like regular sounds. That's why 4/4 rhythm is popular while 7/11 is not.
Third - People tend to take the most comfortable position. Sliding under the desk is one of them. It's VERY ergonomic.
Best solution - buy chairs that help keep proper posture. Nice comfy chair don't mean it's good chair to work in. Club chair may be comfy to sit in but not for working.
add a comment |
Worst. Idea. EVER.
First - Go to any site (or even google) advice how to keep focus at work. In most in the "worst" three there are audio cues. All advise to turn of outlook notifications, Skype/lynk/communicators "pings", generally block distractions.
Here you are adding distraction for everyone targeted at one person. At random time you take 15 minutes of "refocusing" from everyone because one person didn't sit straight. It take 7 minutes for person to change posture. So you can end up in people never really focusing on their jobs. Rather focusing on sitting straight to not hear that damn beep.
Second - having an irregular sound cue would lead to irritation (and could be classified as "hostile environment") in the work place. People like regular sounds. That's why 4/4 rhythm is popular while 7/11 is not.
Third - People tend to take the most comfortable position. Sliding under the desk is one of them. It's VERY ergonomic.
Best solution - buy chairs that help keep proper posture. Nice comfy chair don't mean it's good chair to work in. Club chair may be comfy to sit in but not for working.
Worst. Idea. EVER.
First - Go to any site (or even google) advice how to keep focus at work. In most in the "worst" three there are audio cues. All advise to turn of outlook notifications, Skype/lynk/communicators "pings", generally block distractions.
Here you are adding distraction for everyone targeted at one person. At random time you take 15 minutes of "refocusing" from everyone because one person didn't sit straight. It take 7 minutes for person to change posture. So you can end up in people never really focusing on their jobs. Rather focusing on sitting straight to not hear that damn beep.
Second - having an irregular sound cue would lead to irritation (and could be classified as "hostile environment") in the work place. People like regular sounds. That's why 4/4 rhythm is popular while 7/11 is not.
Third - People tend to take the most comfortable position. Sliding under the desk is one of them. It's VERY ergonomic.
Best solution - buy chairs that help keep proper posture. Nice comfy chair don't mean it's good chair to work in. Club chair may be comfy to sit in but not for working.
answered 12 hours ago
SZCZERZO KŁYSZCZERZO KŁY
4,2101716
4,2101716
add a comment |
add a comment |
I myself struggle with maintaining my posture sometimes, and have found browser extensions/add-ons to be a useful solution.
I use one called PostureMinder (available on Firefox as well as Chrome to my knowledge, and maybe others). You simply set it to pop-up small desktop messages every x minutes to remind you to maintain a good posture. There are options for it to provide an audio queue also.
You could either encourage staff to set this up in their browsers, or have it be mandatory if you have that sort of authority and deem it necessary. They can then configure it or disable it to their liking.
As other users have said, at the end of the day you can't control every aspect of what people do but this is a relatively lightweight way of giving people the option to be aware of their posture.
New contributor
"have it be mandatory" I would be calling recruiters the day that policy was announced.
– Kevin
1 hour ago
add a comment |
I myself struggle with maintaining my posture sometimes, and have found browser extensions/add-ons to be a useful solution.
I use one called PostureMinder (available on Firefox as well as Chrome to my knowledge, and maybe others). You simply set it to pop-up small desktop messages every x minutes to remind you to maintain a good posture. There are options for it to provide an audio queue also.
You could either encourage staff to set this up in their browsers, or have it be mandatory if you have that sort of authority and deem it necessary. They can then configure it or disable it to their liking.
As other users have said, at the end of the day you can't control every aspect of what people do but this is a relatively lightweight way of giving people the option to be aware of their posture.
New contributor
"have it be mandatory" I would be calling recruiters the day that policy was announced.
– Kevin
1 hour ago
add a comment |
I myself struggle with maintaining my posture sometimes, and have found browser extensions/add-ons to be a useful solution.
I use one called PostureMinder (available on Firefox as well as Chrome to my knowledge, and maybe others). You simply set it to pop-up small desktop messages every x minutes to remind you to maintain a good posture. There are options for it to provide an audio queue also.
You could either encourage staff to set this up in their browsers, or have it be mandatory if you have that sort of authority and deem it necessary. They can then configure it or disable it to their liking.
As other users have said, at the end of the day you can't control every aspect of what people do but this is a relatively lightweight way of giving people the option to be aware of their posture.
New contributor
I myself struggle with maintaining my posture sometimes, and have found browser extensions/add-ons to be a useful solution.
I use one called PostureMinder (available on Firefox as well as Chrome to my knowledge, and maybe others). You simply set it to pop-up small desktop messages every x minutes to remind you to maintain a good posture. There are options for it to provide an audio queue also.
You could either encourage staff to set this up in their browsers, or have it be mandatory if you have that sort of authority and deem it necessary. They can then configure it or disable it to their liking.
As other users have said, at the end of the day you can't control every aspect of what people do but this is a relatively lightweight way of giving people the option to be aware of their posture.
New contributor
edited 9 hours ago
New contributor
answered 9 hours ago
LukeLuke
612
612
New contributor
New contributor
"have it be mandatory" I would be calling recruiters the day that policy was announced.
– Kevin
1 hour ago
add a comment |
"have it be mandatory" I would be calling recruiters the day that policy was announced.
– Kevin
1 hour ago
"have it be mandatory" I would be calling recruiters the day that policy was announced.
– Kevin
1 hour ago
"have it be mandatory" I would be calling recruiters the day that policy was announced.
– Kevin
1 hour ago
add a comment |
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However good the intentions are, what would you do to make sure this audio cue doesn't just become annoying or distracting during other activities?
– Kozaky
13 hours ago
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@Prasanna There is nothing "hahaha"-worthy here. The high beeps would be annoying to most, the low beeps won't serve their purpose. That's it, reason enough.
– Sourav Ghosh
11 hours ago
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@Prasanna I'm no offended, I'm saying do not take this possibility of annoyance lightly. You want to educate employees, fine, educate away, but don't try to shove down some "good practice" into their throat. It'll mostly have adverse effects.
– Sourav Ghosh
11 hours ago
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What is your exact role here? Are you in charge of workplace safety, or involved in the workplace safety group, or...?
– user3067860
8 hours ago
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Yeah really, who appointed you the posture police?
– George M
5 hours ago