Is the phrase, “the vending machine was broke” acceptable? The 2019 Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results Are In Announcing the arrival of Valued Associate #679: Cesar Manara Planned maintenance scheduled April 17/18, 2019 at 00:00UTC (8:00pm US/Eastern)Tense to use for a past event that is still relevant at the present timeReasons for these two past perfect tensesWas or had beenWhat is the meaning & tense/verb phrase of: 'I had been away for almost five years'Sequence of tenses for facts irrelevant of the moment of speech`Ann (postpone) making the beds until she (do) the shopping'Do you use Got (Past Tense) instead of Have (Present Tense)?I was really young. “I don’t even remember what is about” vs “I don’t remember what it was about”finished; has been sitting; or had finished; sat;I AM/WAS the one who was breaking up the fight
How to politely respond to generic emails requesting a PhD/job in my lab? Without wasting too much time
How do you keep chess fun when your opponent constantly beats you?
Can the Right Ascension and Argument of Perigee of a spacecraft's orbit keep varying by themselves with time?
Was credit for the black hole image misappropriated?
How did passengers keep warm on sail ships?
Why not take a picture of a closer black hole?
Accepted by European university, rejected by all American ones I applied to? Possible reasons?
Did the new image of black hole confirm the general theory of relativity?
Windows 10: How to Lock (not sleep) laptop on lid close?
What can I do if neighbor is blocking my solar panels intentionally?
Is there a writing software that you can sort scenes like slides in PowerPoint?
How do spell lists change if the party levels up without taking a long rest?
Do warforged have souls?
How to support a colleague who finds meetings extremely tiring?
Intergalactic human space ship encounters another ship, character gets shunted off beyond known universe, reality starts collapsing
Simulating Exploding Dice
Python - Fishing Simulator
60's-70's movie: home appliances revolting against the owners
Am I ethically obligated to go into work on an off day if the reason is sudden?
What's the point in a preamp?
What is the padding with red substance inside of steak packaging?
"... to apply for a visa" or "... and applied for a visa"?
Presidential Pardon
Why doesn't a hydraulic lever violate conservation of energy?
Is the phrase, “the vending machine was broke” acceptable?
The 2019 Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results Are In
Announcing the arrival of Valued Associate #679: Cesar Manara
Planned maintenance scheduled April 17/18, 2019 at 00:00UTC (8:00pm US/Eastern)Tense to use for a past event that is still relevant at the present timeReasons for these two past perfect tensesWas or had beenWhat is the meaning & tense/verb phrase of: 'I had been away for almost five years'Sequence of tenses for facts irrelevant of the moment of speech`Ann (postpone) making the beds until she (do) the shopping'Do you use Got (Past Tense) instead of Have (Present Tense)?I was really young. “I don’t even remember what is about” vs “I don’t remember what it was about”finished; has been sitting; or had finished; sat;I AM/WAS the one who was breaking up the fight
.everyoneloves__top-leaderboard:empty,.everyoneloves__mid-leaderboard:empty,.everyoneloves__bot-mid-leaderboard:empty margin-bottom:0;
Is the phrase, "the vending machine was broke" acceptable, or do we have to say "the vending machine was broken"?
It seems perfectly legal to say, "the vending machine was restocked"; both restocked and broke are past tenses (of restock and break, respectively), so I would think "broke" is correct too.
tense
New contributor
add a comment |
Is the phrase, "the vending machine was broke" acceptable, or do we have to say "the vending machine was broken"?
It seems perfectly legal to say, "the vending machine was restocked"; both restocked and broke are past tenses (of restock and break, respectively), so I would think "broke" is correct too.
tense
New contributor
add a comment |
Is the phrase, "the vending machine was broke" acceptable, or do we have to say "the vending machine was broken"?
It seems perfectly legal to say, "the vending machine was restocked"; both restocked and broke are past tenses (of restock and break, respectively), so I would think "broke" is correct too.
tense
New contributor
Is the phrase, "the vending machine was broke" acceptable, or do we have to say "the vending machine was broken"?
It seems perfectly legal to say, "the vending machine was restocked"; both restocked and broke are past tenses (of restock and break, respectively), so I would think "broke" is correct too.
tense
tense
New contributor
New contributor
edited yesterday
ColleenV♦
10.5k53261
10.5k53261
New contributor
asked yesterday
RalphRalph
1183
1183
New contributor
New contributor
add a comment |
add a comment |
5 Answers
5
active
oldest
votes
The word Broke is also used as an adjective meaning Without money; however, that meaning doesn't fit into the context of your sentence. Therefore, a past-participle (broken) would be correct to be used.
The vending machine was broken.
P.S. restock is a regular verb whose past and past-participle forms are the same (restocked). But break is an irregular verb whose past and past-participle forms are broke and broken respectively. Therefore, you can use restocked in your sentence which we would be being used as past-participle.
Edit: There are many verbs which in their base-form are used as an adjective, eg;
- The airport is close at hand.
- The bridge is open to traffic.
3
It is not immedately clear whether "broke" doesn't fit the context: If it's a machine that gives change it could have run out of coins; in that case one could jokingly say "it's broke". Unfortunately the OP does not give us any context beyond the machine.
– Peter A. Schneider
yesterday
As a native English speaker, I wouldn't consider close (being near) to be the adjectival form of to close (to shut). They're really two separate words which happen to share a spelling. (They may have some etymological connection, but that really doesn't make them related in the same way open (adj.) and to open are.)
– R.M.
yesterday
@R.M. "They're really two separate words which happen to share a spelling." if there's any doubt: they are pronounced differently.
– JimmyJames
yesterday
1
@PeterA.Schneider I'm not a native but I wouldn't even consider calling a machine broke just like I wouldn't use the term wealthy. To be broke you need to not be able to resupply at all and it's only a company that owns the machine that can go into such state. The machine is just temporarily out of coins.
– Ister
19 hours ago
add a comment |
The vending machine was broken.
No: in your examples "restocked" is a past participle verb form, not a past tense one. In a passive construction, replacing it with the verb "break" requires the past participle "broken", not the past tense form "broke".
Having said that, it is actually ambiguous here as to whether "broken" is a verb or an adjective, both of which have the same shape.
As a verbal passive it describes an event (The vending machine was broken by the customer), but as an adjectival one it describes a state -- the state resulting from someone breaking the vending machine.
add a comment |
You are comparing these two sentences
The vending machine was broken
The vending machine was restocked
The first one have got this structure:
[SUBJECT] [VERB] [ADJECTIVE] - [The vending machine] [was] [broken]
The second one have got this structure:
[SUBJECT] [VERB - PASSIVE VOICE] - [The vending machine] [was restocked]
You construct the passive voice with the verb to be followed by the past participle of the main verb, NOT with the past tense. Notice that there are irregular verbs, like break, whose past participle [broken] is different from its past tense [broke].
broke (in your intended meaning, if you want it to mean "damaged") is not an adjective nor the past participle so you can not use it in that sentence.
I think that
The vending machine was broke [moneyless]
is not idiomatic. Vending machines has got no money of their own to spare.
You can say
The vending machine has got no change, you have got to introduce the exact quantity.
if you want to reflect that the vending machine is not going to return the difference between the selected item's price and the inserted money.
Broken can be either an adjective or a verb in that sentence (see BillJ's answer). Break can be an adjective and it normally means "moneyless".
– userr2684291
yesterday
@userr2684291 I don't think that "The vending machine is broke" (neither broken nor break, the words that you mentioned) meaning that the poor vending machine have got no money is idiomatic. Bill J has stated that is difficult to distinguish between adjective and verb with such a small context.
– RubioRic
yesterday
Er, that was a mistake – I meant to write "broke" instead of "break". I didn't express my opinion on the actual sentence, but on what you wrote. The point is, broken can be interpreted as an adjective and a verb in that sentence, and broke can be an adjective in general (with the mentioned meaning).
– userr2684291
yesterday
@userr2684291 I've edited my answer trying to express that is not broke [moneyless] what I mean, it's the non-existent broke [damaged?]. And I was addressing the context provided, my answer is context-related, I think that it's not fair that you express your opinion [-1?] without taking into account that context.
– RubioRic
yesterday
The machine was broken – in this sentence, broken can be interpreted as an adjective or as a verb. In your answer you provide one analysis. I suggested reading BillJ's answer where it's argued that there are two possible analyses.
– userr2684291
yesterday
add a comment |
Please note: In AmE English, there is increasing use of:
- The vending machine was broke. [instead of broken]
- The man was bit by the dog. [instead of bitten]
- The girl was took off the field by the coach. [instead of taken]
Now, how do you want to sound?
The standard grammar here is broken, bitten and taken off the field. This is the usage for passive sentences.
The standard form uses the past participle here. For irregular verbs, that would be the "third form", as in bite, bit,bitten or take, took, taken for verbs with three forms. Of course,some only have two forms: find, found, found.
- He was found by the people looking for him.
If you do not use the standard form (by the way, people speak how they speak), your speech will be marked as (depending on whom is judging you): uneducated or regional or dialectal.
If you were being interviewed for a fancy job, how you speak can make a big difference. If you come from a region where people often speak like that (for example, Texas or Alabama), you would still be expected to code switch and use standard English.
"He was bit by the dog." is often considered the same type of speech as: "He don't do his work right". That would be using don't instead of doesn't in the third person singular of the present tense.
So, to answer the question: It all depends on how you want to sound.
add a comment |
to be broken = to be damaged, to not (properly) work
to be broke = to have no money (broke = adjective)
BUT: we say about people to be broke, not about machines.
So in your context, "broke" is definitely not an option.
1
"broke" in this context is decidedly 'lazy' usage, but common in spoken English in some areas.
– Mike Brockington
yesterday
I am not sure what you want to say. Will you please elaborate a little more? Thank you.
– virolino
yesterday
1
Using "broke" in this way is basically slang. It is generally used in a knowingly un-educated manner. The speaker usually knows that it isn't 'correct' English, but does so regardless - to sound cool and trendy if you like. I wouldn't quite go so far as to call it regional dialect, but some people might.
– Mike Brockington
yesterday
Ah, now I understand. This kind of "abuse" is probably encountered in all languages. But, personally, I would avoid explaining how a language can be used "lazy" :)
– virolino
20 hours ago
add a comment |
Your Answer
StackExchange.ready(function()
var channelOptions =
tags: "".split(" "),
id: "481"
;
initTagRenderer("".split(" "), "".split(" "), channelOptions);
StackExchange.using("externalEditor", function()
// Have to fire editor after snippets, if snippets enabled
if (StackExchange.settings.snippets.snippetsEnabled)
StackExchange.using("snippets", function()
createEditor();
);
else
createEditor();
);
function createEditor()
StackExchange.prepareEditor(
heartbeatType: 'answer',
autoActivateHeartbeat: false,
convertImagesToLinks: false,
noModals: true,
showLowRepImageUploadWarning: true,
reputationToPostImages: null,
bindNavPrevention: true,
postfix: "",
imageUploader:
brandingHtml: "Powered by u003ca class="icon-imgur-white" href="https://imgur.com/"u003eu003c/au003e",
contentPolicyHtml: "User contributions licensed under u003ca href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/"u003ecc by-sa 3.0 with attribution requiredu003c/au003e u003ca href="https://stackoverflow.com/legal/content-policy"u003e(content policy)u003c/au003e",
allowUrls: true
,
noCode: true, onDemand: true,
discardSelector: ".discard-answer"
,immediatelyShowMarkdownHelp:true
);
);
Ralph is a new contributor. Be nice, and check out our Code of Conduct.
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function ()
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
);
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
StackExchange.ready(
function ()
StackExchange.openid.initPostLogin('.new-post-login', 'https%3a%2f%2fell.stackexchange.com%2fquestions%2f204952%2fis-the-phrase-the-vending-machine-was-broke-acceptable%23new-answer', 'question_page');
);
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
5 Answers
5
active
oldest
votes
5 Answers
5
active
oldest
votes
active
oldest
votes
active
oldest
votes
The word Broke is also used as an adjective meaning Without money; however, that meaning doesn't fit into the context of your sentence. Therefore, a past-participle (broken) would be correct to be used.
The vending machine was broken.
P.S. restock is a regular verb whose past and past-participle forms are the same (restocked). But break is an irregular verb whose past and past-participle forms are broke and broken respectively. Therefore, you can use restocked in your sentence which we would be being used as past-participle.
Edit: There are many verbs which in their base-form are used as an adjective, eg;
- The airport is close at hand.
- The bridge is open to traffic.
3
It is not immedately clear whether "broke" doesn't fit the context: If it's a machine that gives change it could have run out of coins; in that case one could jokingly say "it's broke". Unfortunately the OP does not give us any context beyond the machine.
– Peter A. Schneider
yesterday
As a native English speaker, I wouldn't consider close (being near) to be the adjectival form of to close (to shut). They're really two separate words which happen to share a spelling. (They may have some etymological connection, but that really doesn't make them related in the same way open (adj.) and to open are.)
– R.M.
yesterday
@R.M. "They're really two separate words which happen to share a spelling." if there's any doubt: they are pronounced differently.
– JimmyJames
yesterday
1
@PeterA.Schneider I'm not a native but I wouldn't even consider calling a machine broke just like I wouldn't use the term wealthy. To be broke you need to not be able to resupply at all and it's only a company that owns the machine that can go into such state. The machine is just temporarily out of coins.
– Ister
19 hours ago
add a comment |
The word Broke is also used as an adjective meaning Without money; however, that meaning doesn't fit into the context of your sentence. Therefore, a past-participle (broken) would be correct to be used.
The vending machine was broken.
P.S. restock is a regular verb whose past and past-participle forms are the same (restocked). But break is an irregular verb whose past and past-participle forms are broke and broken respectively. Therefore, you can use restocked in your sentence which we would be being used as past-participle.
Edit: There are many verbs which in their base-form are used as an adjective, eg;
- The airport is close at hand.
- The bridge is open to traffic.
3
It is not immedately clear whether "broke" doesn't fit the context: If it's a machine that gives change it could have run out of coins; in that case one could jokingly say "it's broke". Unfortunately the OP does not give us any context beyond the machine.
– Peter A. Schneider
yesterday
As a native English speaker, I wouldn't consider close (being near) to be the adjectival form of to close (to shut). They're really two separate words which happen to share a spelling. (They may have some etymological connection, but that really doesn't make them related in the same way open (adj.) and to open are.)
– R.M.
yesterday
@R.M. "They're really two separate words which happen to share a spelling." if there's any doubt: they are pronounced differently.
– JimmyJames
yesterday
1
@PeterA.Schneider I'm not a native but I wouldn't even consider calling a machine broke just like I wouldn't use the term wealthy. To be broke you need to not be able to resupply at all and it's only a company that owns the machine that can go into such state. The machine is just temporarily out of coins.
– Ister
19 hours ago
add a comment |
The word Broke is also used as an adjective meaning Without money; however, that meaning doesn't fit into the context of your sentence. Therefore, a past-participle (broken) would be correct to be used.
The vending machine was broken.
P.S. restock is a regular verb whose past and past-participle forms are the same (restocked). But break is an irregular verb whose past and past-participle forms are broke and broken respectively. Therefore, you can use restocked in your sentence which we would be being used as past-participle.
Edit: There are many verbs which in their base-form are used as an adjective, eg;
- The airport is close at hand.
- The bridge is open to traffic.
The word Broke is also used as an adjective meaning Without money; however, that meaning doesn't fit into the context of your sentence. Therefore, a past-participle (broken) would be correct to be used.
The vending machine was broken.
P.S. restock is a regular verb whose past and past-participle forms are the same (restocked). But break is an irregular verb whose past and past-participle forms are broke and broken respectively. Therefore, you can use restocked in your sentence which we would be being used as past-participle.
Edit: There are many verbs which in their base-form are used as an adjective, eg;
- The airport is close at hand.
- The bridge is open to traffic.
edited yesterday
answered yesterday
Zeeshan AliZeeshan Ali
7171217
7171217
3
It is not immedately clear whether "broke" doesn't fit the context: If it's a machine that gives change it could have run out of coins; in that case one could jokingly say "it's broke". Unfortunately the OP does not give us any context beyond the machine.
– Peter A. Schneider
yesterday
As a native English speaker, I wouldn't consider close (being near) to be the adjectival form of to close (to shut). They're really two separate words which happen to share a spelling. (They may have some etymological connection, but that really doesn't make them related in the same way open (adj.) and to open are.)
– R.M.
yesterday
@R.M. "They're really two separate words which happen to share a spelling." if there's any doubt: they are pronounced differently.
– JimmyJames
yesterday
1
@PeterA.Schneider I'm not a native but I wouldn't even consider calling a machine broke just like I wouldn't use the term wealthy. To be broke you need to not be able to resupply at all and it's only a company that owns the machine that can go into such state. The machine is just temporarily out of coins.
– Ister
19 hours ago
add a comment |
3
It is not immedately clear whether "broke" doesn't fit the context: If it's a machine that gives change it could have run out of coins; in that case one could jokingly say "it's broke". Unfortunately the OP does not give us any context beyond the machine.
– Peter A. Schneider
yesterday
As a native English speaker, I wouldn't consider close (being near) to be the adjectival form of to close (to shut). They're really two separate words which happen to share a spelling. (They may have some etymological connection, but that really doesn't make them related in the same way open (adj.) and to open are.)
– R.M.
yesterday
@R.M. "They're really two separate words which happen to share a spelling." if there's any doubt: they are pronounced differently.
– JimmyJames
yesterday
1
@PeterA.Schneider I'm not a native but I wouldn't even consider calling a machine broke just like I wouldn't use the term wealthy. To be broke you need to not be able to resupply at all and it's only a company that owns the machine that can go into such state. The machine is just temporarily out of coins.
– Ister
19 hours ago
3
3
It is not immedately clear whether "broke" doesn't fit the context: If it's a machine that gives change it could have run out of coins; in that case one could jokingly say "it's broke". Unfortunately the OP does not give us any context beyond the machine.
– Peter A. Schneider
yesterday
It is not immedately clear whether "broke" doesn't fit the context: If it's a machine that gives change it could have run out of coins; in that case one could jokingly say "it's broke". Unfortunately the OP does not give us any context beyond the machine.
– Peter A. Schneider
yesterday
As a native English speaker, I wouldn't consider close (being near) to be the adjectival form of to close (to shut). They're really two separate words which happen to share a spelling. (They may have some etymological connection, but that really doesn't make them related in the same way open (adj.) and to open are.)
– R.M.
yesterday
As a native English speaker, I wouldn't consider close (being near) to be the adjectival form of to close (to shut). They're really two separate words which happen to share a spelling. (They may have some etymological connection, but that really doesn't make them related in the same way open (adj.) and to open are.)
– R.M.
yesterday
@R.M. "They're really two separate words which happen to share a spelling." if there's any doubt: they are pronounced differently.
– JimmyJames
yesterday
@R.M. "They're really two separate words which happen to share a spelling." if there's any doubt: they are pronounced differently.
– JimmyJames
yesterday
1
1
@PeterA.Schneider I'm not a native but I wouldn't even consider calling a machine broke just like I wouldn't use the term wealthy. To be broke you need to not be able to resupply at all and it's only a company that owns the machine that can go into such state. The machine is just temporarily out of coins.
– Ister
19 hours ago
@PeterA.Schneider I'm not a native but I wouldn't even consider calling a machine broke just like I wouldn't use the term wealthy. To be broke you need to not be able to resupply at all and it's only a company that owns the machine that can go into such state. The machine is just temporarily out of coins.
– Ister
19 hours ago
add a comment |
The vending machine was broken.
No: in your examples "restocked" is a past participle verb form, not a past tense one. In a passive construction, replacing it with the verb "break" requires the past participle "broken", not the past tense form "broke".
Having said that, it is actually ambiguous here as to whether "broken" is a verb or an adjective, both of which have the same shape.
As a verbal passive it describes an event (The vending machine was broken by the customer), but as an adjectival one it describes a state -- the state resulting from someone breaking the vending machine.
add a comment |
The vending machine was broken.
No: in your examples "restocked" is a past participle verb form, not a past tense one. In a passive construction, replacing it with the verb "break" requires the past participle "broken", not the past tense form "broke".
Having said that, it is actually ambiguous here as to whether "broken" is a verb or an adjective, both of which have the same shape.
As a verbal passive it describes an event (The vending machine was broken by the customer), but as an adjectival one it describes a state -- the state resulting from someone breaking the vending machine.
add a comment |
The vending machine was broken.
No: in your examples "restocked" is a past participle verb form, not a past tense one. In a passive construction, replacing it with the verb "break" requires the past participle "broken", not the past tense form "broke".
Having said that, it is actually ambiguous here as to whether "broken" is a verb or an adjective, both of which have the same shape.
As a verbal passive it describes an event (The vending machine was broken by the customer), but as an adjectival one it describes a state -- the state resulting from someone breaking the vending machine.
The vending machine was broken.
No: in your examples "restocked" is a past participle verb form, not a past tense one. In a passive construction, replacing it with the verb "break" requires the past participle "broken", not the past tense form "broke".
Having said that, it is actually ambiguous here as to whether "broken" is a verb or an adjective, both of which have the same shape.
As a verbal passive it describes an event (The vending machine was broken by the customer), but as an adjectival one it describes a state -- the state resulting from someone breaking the vending machine.
answered yesterday
BillJBillJ
7,0141819
7,0141819
add a comment |
add a comment |
You are comparing these two sentences
The vending machine was broken
The vending machine was restocked
The first one have got this structure:
[SUBJECT] [VERB] [ADJECTIVE] - [The vending machine] [was] [broken]
The second one have got this structure:
[SUBJECT] [VERB - PASSIVE VOICE] - [The vending machine] [was restocked]
You construct the passive voice with the verb to be followed by the past participle of the main verb, NOT with the past tense. Notice that there are irregular verbs, like break, whose past participle [broken] is different from its past tense [broke].
broke (in your intended meaning, if you want it to mean "damaged") is not an adjective nor the past participle so you can not use it in that sentence.
I think that
The vending machine was broke [moneyless]
is not idiomatic. Vending machines has got no money of their own to spare.
You can say
The vending machine has got no change, you have got to introduce the exact quantity.
if you want to reflect that the vending machine is not going to return the difference between the selected item's price and the inserted money.
Broken can be either an adjective or a verb in that sentence (see BillJ's answer). Break can be an adjective and it normally means "moneyless".
– userr2684291
yesterday
@userr2684291 I don't think that "The vending machine is broke" (neither broken nor break, the words that you mentioned) meaning that the poor vending machine have got no money is idiomatic. Bill J has stated that is difficult to distinguish between adjective and verb with such a small context.
– RubioRic
yesterday
Er, that was a mistake – I meant to write "broke" instead of "break". I didn't express my opinion on the actual sentence, but on what you wrote. The point is, broken can be interpreted as an adjective and a verb in that sentence, and broke can be an adjective in general (with the mentioned meaning).
– userr2684291
yesterday
@userr2684291 I've edited my answer trying to express that is not broke [moneyless] what I mean, it's the non-existent broke [damaged?]. And I was addressing the context provided, my answer is context-related, I think that it's not fair that you express your opinion [-1?] without taking into account that context.
– RubioRic
yesterday
The machine was broken – in this sentence, broken can be interpreted as an adjective or as a verb. In your answer you provide one analysis. I suggested reading BillJ's answer where it's argued that there are two possible analyses.
– userr2684291
yesterday
add a comment |
You are comparing these two sentences
The vending machine was broken
The vending machine was restocked
The first one have got this structure:
[SUBJECT] [VERB] [ADJECTIVE] - [The vending machine] [was] [broken]
The second one have got this structure:
[SUBJECT] [VERB - PASSIVE VOICE] - [The vending machine] [was restocked]
You construct the passive voice with the verb to be followed by the past participle of the main verb, NOT with the past tense. Notice that there are irregular verbs, like break, whose past participle [broken] is different from its past tense [broke].
broke (in your intended meaning, if you want it to mean "damaged") is not an adjective nor the past participle so you can not use it in that sentence.
I think that
The vending machine was broke [moneyless]
is not idiomatic. Vending machines has got no money of their own to spare.
You can say
The vending machine has got no change, you have got to introduce the exact quantity.
if you want to reflect that the vending machine is not going to return the difference between the selected item's price and the inserted money.
Broken can be either an adjective or a verb in that sentence (see BillJ's answer). Break can be an adjective and it normally means "moneyless".
– userr2684291
yesterday
@userr2684291 I don't think that "The vending machine is broke" (neither broken nor break, the words that you mentioned) meaning that the poor vending machine have got no money is idiomatic. Bill J has stated that is difficult to distinguish between adjective and verb with such a small context.
– RubioRic
yesterday
Er, that was a mistake – I meant to write "broke" instead of "break". I didn't express my opinion on the actual sentence, but on what you wrote. The point is, broken can be interpreted as an adjective and a verb in that sentence, and broke can be an adjective in general (with the mentioned meaning).
– userr2684291
yesterday
@userr2684291 I've edited my answer trying to express that is not broke [moneyless] what I mean, it's the non-existent broke [damaged?]. And I was addressing the context provided, my answer is context-related, I think that it's not fair that you express your opinion [-1?] without taking into account that context.
– RubioRic
yesterday
The machine was broken – in this sentence, broken can be interpreted as an adjective or as a verb. In your answer you provide one analysis. I suggested reading BillJ's answer where it's argued that there are two possible analyses.
– userr2684291
yesterday
add a comment |
You are comparing these two sentences
The vending machine was broken
The vending machine was restocked
The first one have got this structure:
[SUBJECT] [VERB] [ADJECTIVE] - [The vending machine] [was] [broken]
The second one have got this structure:
[SUBJECT] [VERB - PASSIVE VOICE] - [The vending machine] [was restocked]
You construct the passive voice with the verb to be followed by the past participle of the main verb, NOT with the past tense. Notice that there are irregular verbs, like break, whose past participle [broken] is different from its past tense [broke].
broke (in your intended meaning, if you want it to mean "damaged") is not an adjective nor the past participle so you can not use it in that sentence.
I think that
The vending machine was broke [moneyless]
is not idiomatic. Vending machines has got no money of their own to spare.
You can say
The vending machine has got no change, you have got to introduce the exact quantity.
if you want to reflect that the vending machine is not going to return the difference between the selected item's price and the inserted money.
You are comparing these two sentences
The vending machine was broken
The vending machine was restocked
The first one have got this structure:
[SUBJECT] [VERB] [ADJECTIVE] - [The vending machine] [was] [broken]
The second one have got this structure:
[SUBJECT] [VERB - PASSIVE VOICE] - [The vending machine] [was restocked]
You construct the passive voice with the verb to be followed by the past participle of the main verb, NOT with the past tense. Notice that there are irregular verbs, like break, whose past participle [broken] is different from its past tense [broke].
broke (in your intended meaning, if you want it to mean "damaged") is not an adjective nor the past participle so you can not use it in that sentence.
I think that
The vending machine was broke [moneyless]
is not idiomatic. Vending machines has got no money of their own to spare.
You can say
The vending machine has got no change, you have got to introduce the exact quantity.
if you want to reflect that the vending machine is not going to return the difference between the selected item's price and the inserted money.
edited yesterday
answered yesterday
RubioRicRubioRic
5,35011337
5,35011337
Broken can be either an adjective or a verb in that sentence (see BillJ's answer). Break can be an adjective and it normally means "moneyless".
– userr2684291
yesterday
@userr2684291 I don't think that "The vending machine is broke" (neither broken nor break, the words that you mentioned) meaning that the poor vending machine have got no money is idiomatic. Bill J has stated that is difficult to distinguish between adjective and verb with such a small context.
– RubioRic
yesterday
Er, that was a mistake – I meant to write "broke" instead of "break". I didn't express my opinion on the actual sentence, but on what you wrote. The point is, broken can be interpreted as an adjective and a verb in that sentence, and broke can be an adjective in general (with the mentioned meaning).
– userr2684291
yesterday
@userr2684291 I've edited my answer trying to express that is not broke [moneyless] what I mean, it's the non-existent broke [damaged?]. And I was addressing the context provided, my answer is context-related, I think that it's not fair that you express your opinion [-1?] without taking into account that context.
– RubioRic
yesterday
The machine was broken – in this sentence, broken can be interpreted as an adjective or as a verb. In your answer you provide one analysis. I suggested reading BillJ's answer where it's argued that there are two possible analyses.
– userr2684291
yesterday
add a comment |
Broken can be either an adjective or a verb in that sentence (see BillJ's answer). Break can be an adjective and it normally means "moneyless".
– userr2684291
yesterday
@userr2684291 I don't think that "The vending machine is broke" (neither broken nor break, the words that you mentioned) meaning that the poor vending machine have got no money is idiomatic. Bill J has stated that is difficult to distinguish between adjective and verb with such a small context.
– RubioRic
yesterday
Er, that was a mistake – I meant to write "broke" instead of "break". I didn't express my opinion on the actual sentence, but on what you wrote. The point is, broken can be interpreted as an adjective and a verb in that sentence, and broke can be an adjective in general (with the mentioned meaning).
– userr2684291
yesterday
@userr2684291 I've edited my answer trying to express that is not broke [moneyless] what I mean, it's the non-existent broke [damaged?]. And I was addressing the context provided, my answer is context-related, I think that it's not fair that you express your opinion [-1?] without taking into account that context.
– RubioRic
yesterday
The machine was broken – in this sentence, broken can be interpreted as an adjective or as a verb. In your answer you provide one analysis. I suggested reading BillJ's answer where it's argued that there are two possible analyses.
– userr2684291
yesterday
Broken can be either an adjective or a verb in that sentence (see BillJ's answer). Break can be an adjective and it normally means "moneyless".
– userr2684291
yesterday
Broken can be either an adjective or a verb in that sentence (see BillJ's answer). Break can be an adjective and it normally means "moneyless".
– userr2684291
yesterday
@userr2684291 I don't think that "The vending machine is broke" (neither broken nor break, the words that you mentioned) meaning that the poor vending machine have got no money is idiomatic. Bill J has stated that is difficult to distinguish between adjective and verb with such a small context.
– RubioRic
yesterday
@userr2684291 I don't think that "The vending machine is broke" (neither broken nor break, the words that you mentioned) meaning that the poor vending machine have got no money is idiomatic. Bill J has stated that is difficult to distinguish between adjective and verb with such a small context.
– RubioRic
yesterday
Er, that was a mistake – I meant to write "broke" instead of "break". I didn't express my opinion on the actual sentence, but on what you wrote. The point is, broken can be interpreted as an adjective and a verb in that sentence, and broke can be an adjective in general (with the mentioned meaning).
– userr2684291
yesterday
Er, that was a mistake – I meant to write "broke" instead of "break". I didn't express my opinion on the actual sentence, but on what you wrote. The point is, broken can be interpreted as an adjective and a verb in that sentence, and broke can be an adjective in general (with the mentioned meaning).
– userr2684291
yesterday
@userr2684291 I've edited my answer trying to express that is not broke [moneyless] what I mean, it's the non-existent broke [damaged?]. And I was addressing the context provided, my answer is context-related, I think that it's not fair that you express your opinion [-1?] without taking into account that context.
– RubioRic
yesterday
@userr2684291 I've edited my answer trying to express that is not broke [moneyless] what I mean, it's the non-existent broke [damaged?]. And I was addressing the context provided, my answer is context-related, I think that it's not fair that you express your opinion [-1?] without taking into account that context.
– RubioRic
yesterday
The machine was broken – in this sentence, broken can be interpreted as an adjective or as a verb. In your answer you provide one analysis. I suggested reading BillJ's answer where it's argued that there are two possible analyses.
– userr2684291
yesterday
The machine was broken – in this sentence, broken can be interpreted as an adjective or as a verb. In your answer you provide one analysis. I suggested reading BillJ's answer where it's argued that there are two possible analyses.
– userr2684291
yesterday
add a comment |
Please note: In AmE English, there is increasing use of:
- The vending machine was broke. [instead of broken]
- The man was bit by the dog. [instead of bitten]
- The girl was took off the field by the coach. [instead of taken]
Now, how do you want to sound?
The standard grammar here is broken, bitten and taken off the field. This is the usage for passive sentences.
The standard form uses the past participle here. For irregular verbs, that would be the "third form", as in bite, bit,bitten or take, took, taken for verbs with three forms. Of course,some only have two forms: find, found, found.
- He was found by the people looking for him.
If you do not use the standard form (by the way, people speak how they speak), your speech will be marked as (depending on whom is judging you): uneducated or regional or dialectal.
If you were being interviewed for a fancy job, how you speak can make a big difference. If you come from a region where people often speak like that (for example, Texas or Alabama), you would still be expected to code switch and use standard English.
"He was bit by the dog." is often considered the same type of speech as: "He don't do his work right". That would be using don't instead of doesn't in the third person singular of the present tense.
So, to answer the question: It all depends on how you want to sound.
add a comment |
Please note: In AmE English, there is increasing use of:
- The vending machine was broke. [instead of broken]
- The man was bit by the dog. [instead of bitten]
- The girl was took off the field by the coach. [instead of taken]
Now, how do you want to sound?
The standard grammar here is broken, bitten and taken off the field. This is the usage for passive sentences.
The standard form uses the past participle here. For irregular verbs, that would be the "third form", as in bite, bit,bitten or take, took, taken for verbs with three forms. Of course,some only have two forms: find, found, found.
- He was found by the people looking for him.
If you do not use the standard form (by the way, people speak how they speak), your speech will be marked as (depending on whom is judging you): uneducated or regional or dialectal.
If you were being interviewed for a fancy job, how you speak can make a big difference. If you come from a region where people often speak like that (for example, Texas or Alabama), you would still be expected to code switch and use standard English.
"He was bit by the dog." is often considered the same type of speech as: "He don't do his work right". That would be using don't instead of doesn't in the third person singular of the present tense.
So, to answer the question: It all depends on how you want to sound.
add a comment |
Please note: In AmE English, there is increasing use of:
- The vending machine was broke. [instead of broken]
- The man was bit by the dog. [instead of bitten]
- The girl was took off the field by the coach. [instead of taken]
Now, how do you want to sound?
The standard grammar here is broken, bitten and taken off the field. This is the usage for passive sentences.
The standard form uses the past participle here. For irregular verbs, that would be the "third form", as in bite, bit,bitten or take, took, taken for verbs with three forms. Of course,some only have two forms: find, found, found.
- He was found by the people looking for him.
If you do not use the standard form (by the way, people speak how they speak), your speech will be marked as (depending on whom is judging you): uneducated or regional or dialectal.
If you were being interviewed for a fancy job, how you speak can make a big difference. If you come from a region where people often speak like that (for example, Texas or Alabama), you would still be expected to code switch and use standard English.
"He was bit by the dog." is often considered the same type of speech as: "He don't do his work right". That would be using don't instead of doesn't in the third person singular of the present tense.
So, to answer the question: It all depends on how you want to sound.
Please note: In AmE English, there is increasing use of:
- The vending machine was broke. [instead of broken]
- The man was bit by the dog. [instead of bitten]
- The girl was took off the field by the coach. [instead of taken]
Now, how do you want to sound?
The standard grammar here is broken, bitten and taken off the field. This is the usage for passive sentences.
The standard form uses the past participle here. For irregular verbs, that would be the "third form", as in bite, bit,bitten or take, took, taken for verbs with three forms. Of course,some only have two forms: find, found, found.
- He was found by the people looking for him.
If you do not use the standard form (by the way, people speak how they speak), your speech will be marked as (depending on whom is judging you): uneducated or regional or dialectal.
If you were being interviewed for a fancy job, how you speak can make a big difference. If you come from a region where people often speak like that (for example, Texas or Alabama), you would still be expected to code switch and use standard English.
"He was bit by the dog." is often considered the same type of speech as: "He don't do his work right". That would be using don't instead of doesn't in the third person singular of the present tense.
So, to answer the question: It all depends on how you want to sound.
answered yesterday
LambieLambie
17.6k1540
17.6k1540
add a comment |
add a comment |
to be broken = to be damaged, to not (properly) work
to be broke = to have no money (broke = adjective)
BUT: we say about people to be broke, not about machines.
So in your context, "broke" is definitely not an option.
1
"broke" in this context is decidedly 'lazy' usage, but common in spoken English in some areas.
– Mike Brockington
yesterday
I am not sure what you want to say. Will you please elaborate a little more? Thank you.
– virolino
yesterday
1
Using "broke" in this way is basically slang. It is generally used in a knowingly un-educated manner. The speaker usually knows that it isn't 'correct' English, but does so regardless - to sound cool and trendy if you like. I wouldn't quite go so far as to call it regional dialect, but some people might.
– Mike Brockington
yesterday
Ah, now I understand. This kind of "abuse" is probably encountered in all languages. But, personally, I would avoid explaining how a language can be used "lazy" :)
– virolino
20 hours ago
add a comment |
to be broken = to be damaged, to not (properly) work
to be broke = to have no money (broke = adjective)
BUT: we say about people to be broke, not about machines.
So in your context, "broke" is definitely not an option.
1
"broke" in this context is decidedly 'lazy' usage, but common in spoken English in some areas.
– Mike Brockington
yesterday
I am not sure what you want to say. Will you please elaborate a little more? Thank you.
– virolino
yesterday
1
Using "broke" in this way is basically slang. It is generally used in a knowingly un-educated manner. The speaker usually knows that it isn't 'correct' English, but does so regardless - to sound cool and trendy if you like. I wouldn't quite go so far as to call it regional dialect, but some people might.
– Mike Brockington
yesterday
Ah, now I understand. This kind of "abuse" is probably encountered in all languages. But, personally, I would avoid explaining how a language can be used "lazy" :)
– virolino
20 hours ago
add a comment |
to be broken = to be damaged, to not (properly) work
to be broke = to have no money (broke = adjective)
BUT: we say about people to be broke, not about machines.
So in your context, "broke" is definitely not an option.
to be broken = to be damaged, to not (properly) work
to be broke = to have no money (broke = adjective)
BUT: we say about people to be broke, not about machines.
So in your context, "broke" is definitely not an option.
answered yesterday
virolinovirolino
3,8211734
3,8211734
1
"broke" in this context is decidedly 'lazy' usage, but common in spoken English in some areas.
– Mike Brockington
yesterday
I am not sure what you want to say. Will you please elaborate a little more? Thank you.
– virolino
yesterday
1
Using "broke" in this way is basically slang. It is generally used in a knowingly un-educated manner. The speaker usually knows that it isn't 'correct' English, but does so regardless - to sound cool and trendy if you like. I wouldn't quite go so far as to call it regional dialect, but some people might.
– Mike Brockington
yesterday
Ah, now I understand. This kind of "abuse" is probably encountered in all languages. But, personally, I would avoid explaining how a language can be used "lazy" :)
– virolino
20 hours ago
add a comment |
1
"broke" in this context is decidedly 'lazy' usage, but common in spoken English in some areas.
– Mike Brockington
yesterday
I am not sure what you want to say. Will you please elaborate a little more? Thank you.
– virolino
yesterday
1
Using "broke" in this way is basically slang. It is generally used in a knowingly un-educated manner. The speaker usually knows that it isn't 'correct' English, but does so regardless - to sound cool and trendy if you like. I wouldn't quite go so far as to call it regional dialect, but some people might.
– Mike Brockington
yesterday
Ah, now I understand. This kind of "abuse" is probably encountered in all languages. But, personally, I would avoid explaining how a language can be used "lazy" :)
– virolino
20 hours ago
1
1
"broke" in this context is decidedly 'lazy' usage, but common in spoken English in some areas.
– Mike Brockington
yesterday
"broke" in this context is decidedly 'lazy' usage, but common in spoken English in some areas.
– Mike Brockington
yesterday
I am not sure what you want to say. Will you please elaborate a little more? Thank you.
– virolino
yesterday
I am not sure what you want to say. Will you please elaborate a little more? Thank you.
– virolino
yesterday
1
1
Using "broke" in this way is basically slang. It is generally used in a knowingly un-educated manner. The speaker usually knows that it isn't 'correct' English, but does so regardless - to sound cool and trendy if you like. I wouldn't quite go so far as to call it regional dialect, but some people might.
– Mike Brockington
yesterday
Using "broke" in this way is basically slang. It is generally used in a knowingly un-educated manner. The speaker usually knows that it isn't 'correct' English, but does so regardless - to sound cool and trendy if you like. I wouldn't quite go so far as to call it regional dialect, but some people might.
– Mike Brockington
yesterday
Ah, now I understand. This kind of "abuse" is probably encountered in all languages. But, personally, I would avoid explaining how a language can be used "lazy" :)
– virolino
20 hours ago
Ah, now I understand. This kind of "abuse" is probably encountered in all languages. But, personally, I would avoid explaining how a language can be used "lazy" :)
– virolino
20 hours ago
add a comment |
Ralph is a new contributor. Be nice, and check out our Code of Conduct.
Ralph is a new contributor. Be nice, and check out our Code of Conduct.
Ralph is a new contributor. Be nice, and check out our Code of Conduct.
Ralph is a new contributor. Be nice, and check out our Code of Conduct.
Thanks for contributing an answer to English Language Learners Stack Exchange!
- Please be sure to answer the question. Provide details and share your research!
But avoid …
- Asking for help, clarification, or responding to other answers.
- Making statements based on opinion; back them up with references or personal experience.
To learn more, see our tips on writing great answers.
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function ()
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
);
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
StackExchange.ready(
function ()
StackExchange.openid.initPostLogin('.new-post-login', 'https%3a%2f%2fell.stackexchange.com%2fquestions%2f204952%2fis-the-phrase-the-vending-machine-was-broke-acceptable%23new-answer', 'question_page');
);
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function ()
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
);
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function ()
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
);
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function ()
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
);
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
-tense