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Is “history” a male-biased word (“his+story”)?


Mediaeval Latin adopted the Greek word 'grapheus' as '-gravius' (which led to Dutch/German 'graaf/Graf', “count”); where and when did this happen?Is “mesnomer” the Latin equivalent of the English word “misnomer”?How did “glutaeus/gluteus” come from Greek “gloutos”? Would “glutiaeus” be more correct?What are the most important scholarly resources for Latin and Greek historical linguistics?About Sappho Edmonds 89 Campbell 48Is it possible to predict the gender of nouns?Was the name “Sasan/Sassan” often spelled with a double S in Latin or Greek?On the etymology of “conundrum”Word construction like “philanthropist” but regarding silence instead of humankind?Etimology of the word “σκευή”













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(Yes, this is an English word, but it's roots go through Latin and Greek, and so the question here. Hopefully that's OK. This intro can be deleted if a moderator agrees.).



In the last International Women's Day I saw some footage showing a poster with the phrase "women making herstory", as opposed to "history". The phrase was playing with the fact that the word "history" can be decomposed as "his+story", suggesting a male tone. I wonder whether the origin of the word does includes this gendered tone. According to wiktionary, "history" comes from the Ancient Greek "ἱστορία", which is a female noun (is there a relation between noun of word and cultural gender of the word?). Now, ἱστορία comes from another Greek word, "ῐ̔́στωρ", which, in turns comes from PIE. "ῐ̔́στωρ" is a male noun, perhaps because, since it means judge, culturally judges were men (so notice the change from male to female in history)



Now, I know nothing of Greek, let alone of linguistics, so I'm not sure how to interpret the above to answer my question. It seems, the answer is "no, there is no male tone in the word history". In fact, as said, the word itself is feminine in both Latin and Greek. Any ideas?



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  • Can you elaborate a little on how the related post is unhelpful?

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  • @JoonasIlmavirta in that it does not answer the question (as far as I can see). It asks for the origin of "hi", but does not addresses whether the Greek from where this prefix comes posses some gender value.

    – luchonacho
    7 hours ago







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    No. This is nonsense rhetoric intended to push an agenda.

    – only_pro
    2 hours ago











  • I heard this two decades ago with a capital H for a different meaning. I thought it was a coincidence then. How we English speakers assume. e.g. burger is nonsense.

    – Joshua
    1 hour ago















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(Yes, this is an English word, but it's roots go through Latin and Greek, and so the question here. Hopefully that's OK. This intro can be deleted if a moderator agrees.).



In the last International Women's Day I saw some footage showing a poster with the phrase "women making herstory", as opposed to "history". The phrase was playing with the fact that the word "history" can be decomposed as "his+story", suggesting a male tone. I wonder whether the origin of the word does includes this gendered tone. According to wiktionary, "history" comes from the Ancient Greek "ἱστορία", which is a female noun (is there a relation between noun of word and cultural gender of the word?). Now, ἱστορία comes from another Greek word, "ῐ̔́στωρ", which, in turns comes from PIE. "ῐ̔́στωρ" is a male noun, perhaps because, since it means judge, culturally judges were men (so notice the change from male to female in history)



Now, I know nothing of Greek, let alone of linguistics, so I'm not sure how to interpret the above to answer my question. It seems, the answer is "no, there is no male tone in the word history". In fact, as said, the word itself is feminine in both Latin and Greek. Any ideas?



PS: related but unhelpful post here.










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  • Can you elaborate a little on how the related post is unhelpful?

    – Joonas Ilmavirta
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  • @JoonasIlmavirta in that it does not answer the question (as far as I can see). It asks for the origin of "hi", but does not addresses whether the Greek from where this prefix comes posses some gender value.

    – luchonacho
    7 hours ago







  • 2





    No. This is nonsense rhetoric intended to push an agenda.

    – only_pro
    2 hours ago











  • I heard this two decades ago with a capital H for a different meaning. I thought it was a coincidence then. How we English speakers assume. e.g. burger is nonsense.

    – Joshua
    1 hour ago













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(Yes, this is an English word, but it's roots go through Latin and Greek, and so the question here. Hopefully that's OK. This intro can be deleted if a moderator agrees.).



In the last International Women's Day I saw some footage showing a poster with the phrase "women making herstory", as opposed to "history". The phrase was playing with the fact that the word "history" can be decomposed as "his+story", suggesting a male tone. I wonder whether the origin of the word does includes this gendered tone. According to wiktionary, "history" comes from the Ancient Greek "ἱστορία", which is a female noun (is there a relation between noun of word and cultural gender of the word?). Now, ἱστορία comes from another Greek word, "ῐ̔́στωρ", which, in turns comes from PIE. "ῐ̔́στωρ" is a male noun, perhaps because, since it means judge, culturally judges were men (so notice the change from male to female in history)



Now, I know nothing of Greek, let alone of linguistics, so I'm not sure how to interpret the above to answer my question. It seems, the answer is "no, there is no male tone in the word history". In fact, as said, the word itself is feminine in both Latin and Greek. Any ideas?



PS: related but unhelpful post here.










share|improve this question
















(Yes, this is an English word, but it's roots go through Latin and Greek, and so the question here. Hopefully that's OK. This intro can be deleted if a moderator agrees.).



In the last International Women's Day I saw some footage showing a poster with the phrase "women making herstory", as opposed to "history". The phrase was playing with the fact that the word "history" can be decomposed as "his+story", suggesting a male tone. I wonder whether the origin of the word does includes this gendered tone. According to wiktionary, "history" comes from the Ancient Greek "ἱστορία", which is a female noun (is there a relation between noun of word and cultural gender of the word?). Now, ἱστορία comes from another Greek word, "ῐ̔́στωρ", which, in turns comes from PIE. "ῐ̔́στωρ" is a male noun, perhaps because, since it means judge, culturally judges were men (so notice the change from male to female in history)



Now, I know nothing of Greek, let alone of linguistics, so I'm not sure how to interpret the above to answer my question. It seems, the answer is "no, there is no male tone in the word history". In fact, as said, the word itself is feminine in both Latin and Greek. Any ideas?



PS: related but unhelpful post here.







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  • Can you elaborate a little on how the related post is unhelpful?

    – Joonas Ilmavirta
    7 hours ago











  • @JoonasIlmavirta in that it does not answer the question (as far as I can see). It asks for the origin of "hi", but does not addresses whether the Greek from where this prefix comes posses some gender value.

    – luchonacho
    7 hours ago







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    No. This is nonsense rhetoric intended to push an agenda.

    – only_pro
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  • I heard this two decades ago with a capital H for a different meaning. I thought it was a coincidence then. How we English speakers assume. e.g. burger is nonsense.

    – Joshua
    1 hour ago

















  • Can you elaborate a little on how the related post is unhelpful?

    – Joonas Ilmavirta
    7 hours ago











  • @JoonasIlmavirta in that it does not answer the question (as far as I can see). It asks for the origin of "hi", but does not addresses whether the Greek from where this prefix comes posses some gender value.

    – luchonacho
    7 hours ago







  • 2





    No. This is nonsense rhetoric intended to push an agenda.

    – only_pro
    2 hours ago











  • I heard this two decades ago with a capital H for a different meaning. I thought it was a coincidence then. How we English speakers assume. e.g. burger is nonsense.

    – Joshua
    1 hour ago
















Can you elaborate a little on how the related post is unhelpful?

– Joonas Ilmavirta
7 hours ago





Can you elaborate a little on how the related post is unhelpful?

– Joonas Ilmavirta
7 hours ago













@JoonasIlmavirta in that it does not answer the question (as far as I can see). It asks for the origin of "hi", but does not addresses whether the Greek from where this prefix comes posses some gender value.

– luchonacho
7 hours ago






@JoonasIlmavirta in that it does not answer the question (as far as I can see). It asks for the origin of "hi", but does not addresses whether the Greek from where this prefix comes posses some gender value.

– luchonacho
7 hours ago





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No. This is nonsense rhetoric intended to push an agenda.

– only_pro
2 hours ago





No. This is nonsense rhetoric intended to push an agenda.

– only_pro
2 hours ago













I heard this two decades ago with a capital H for a different meaning. I thought it was a coincidence then. How we English speakers assume. e.g. burger is nonsense.

– Joshua
1 hour ago





I heard this two decades ago with a capital H for a different meaning. I thought it was a coincidence then. How we English speakers assume. e.g. burger is nonsense.

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While I'm sure a better-research answer might be able to give you more insight, perhaps a simple response will be a good place to start.



As you found, "history" comes from Greek ἱστορία (historia) via Latin historia. A "ἱστορία" generically means an "inquiry," and that is the sense that Herodotus intends in the famous opening lines of his Histories:




Ἡροδότου Ἁλικαρνησσέος ἱστορίης ἀπόδεξις ἥδε...




Godley's translation:




This is the display of the inquiry of Herodotus of Halicarnassus...




So:




  • Does English "history" come from "his story"? No. "Story" comes from the same Greek word, but the "hi" is completely unrelated to the masculine pronoun.


  • Does "historia" have a female connotation? No. Except in certain obvious cases, grammatical gender has nothing to do with male and female "in the real world." It's as silly (and wrong) to think that "virtus" or "ἀρετή" (virtue/excellence) are somehow "female-associated" or that "μαστός" (breast) is somehow "male-associated."


  • Are there problems with sexism in history? Yes. But let's not try to fix that by appealing to a spurious etymology.





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    'Herstory' is not much more than a nonce-word. It's the sort of thing that used to be quoted by feminists in order to demonstrate how wrongfully the world, even the English language, had been arranged to ensure that men would rule it. As @brianpck suggests, it's quite wrong to look for any other etymological explanation.



    Over the years, other words have been suggested with similar intent. You can see the sort of thing in the tongue-in-cheek suggestion that Manchester should become 'Personchester', which was in its turn corrected by some to 'Perchildchester' or 'Perkidchester'. Sadly enough, it all went to trivialise what was, in fact, a serious call for reform in an important aspect of British society, one that is still being addressed.






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    While I'm sure a better-research answer might be able to give you more insight, perhaps a simple response will be a good place to start.



    As you found, "history" comes from Greek ἱστορία (historia) via Latin historia. A "ἱστορία" generically means an "inquiry," and that is the sense that Herodotus intends in the famous opening lines of his Histories:




    Ἡροδότου Ἁλικαρνησσέος ἱστορίης ἀπόδεξις ἥδε...




    Godley's translation:




    This is the display of the inquiry of Herodotus of Halicarnassus...




    So:




    • Does English "history" come from "his story"? No. "Story" comes from the same Greek word, but the "hi" is completely unrelated to the masculine pronoun.


    • Does "historia" have a female connotation? No. Except in certain obvious cases, grammatical gender has nothing to do with male and female "in the real world." It's as silly (and wrong) to think that "virtus" or "ἀρετή" (virtue/excellence) are somehow "female-associated" or that "μαστός" (breast) is somehow "male-associated."


    • Are there problems with sexism in history? Yes. But let's not try to fix that by appealing to a spurious etymology.





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      While I'm sure a better-research answer might be able to give you more insight, perhaps a simple response will be a good place to start.



      As you found, "history" comes from Greek ἱστορία (historia) via Latin historia. A "ἱστορία" generically means an "inquiry," and that is the sense that Herodotus intends in the famous opening lines of his Histories:




      Ἡροδότου Ἁλικαρνησσέος ἱστορίης ἀπόδεξις ἥδε...




      Godley's translation:




      This is the display of the inquiry of Herodotus of Halicarnassus...




      So:




      • Does English "history" come from "his story"? No. "Story" comes from the same Greek word, but the "hi" is completely unrelated to the masculine pronoun.


      • Does "historia" have a female connotation? No. Except in certain obvious cases, grammatical gender has nothing to do with male and female "in the real world." It's as silly (and wrong) to think that "virtus" or "ἀρετή" (virtue/excellence) are somehow "female-associated" or that "μαστός" (breast) is somehow "male-associated."


      • Are there problems with sexism in history? Yes. But let's not try to fix that by appealing to a spurious etymology.





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        While I'm sure a better-research answer might be able to give you more insight, perhaps a simple response will be a good place to start.



        As you found, "history" comes from Greek ἱστορία (historia) via Latin historia. A "ἱστορία" generically means an "inquiry," and that is the sense that Herodotus intends in the famous opening lines of his Histories:




        Ἡροδότου Ἁλικαρνησσέος ἱστορίης ἀπόδεξις ἥδε...




        Godley's translation:




        This is the display of the inquiry of Herodotus of Halicarnassus...




        So:




        • Does English "history" come from "his story"? No. "Story" comes from the same Greek word, but the "hi" is completely unrelated to the masculine pronoun.


        • Does "historia" have a female connotation? No. Except in certain obvious cases, grammatical gender has nothing to do with male and female "in the real world." It's as silly (and wrong) to think that "virtus" or "ἀρετή" (virtue/excellence) are somehow "female-associated" or that "μαστός" (breast) is somehow "male-associated."


        • Are there problems with sexism in history? Yes. But let's not try to fix that by appealing to a spurious etymology.





        share|improve this answer













        While I'm sure a better-research answer might be able to give you more insight, perhaps a simple response will be a good place to start.



        As you found, "history" comes from Greek ἱστορία (historia) via Latin historia. A "ἱστορία" generically means an "inquiry," and that is the sense that Herodotus intends in the famous opening lines of his Histories:




        Ἡροδότου Ἁλικαρνησσέος ἱστορίης ἀπόδεξις ἥδε...




        Godley's translation:




        This is the display of the inquiry of Herodotus of Halicarnassus...




        So:




        • Does English "history" come from "his story"? No. "Story" comes from the same Greek word, but the "hi" is completely unrelated to the masculine pronoun.


        • Does "historia" have a female connotation? No. Except in certain obvious cases, grammatical gender has nothing to do with male and female "in the real world." It's as silly (and wrong) to think that "virtus" or "ἀρετή" (virtue/excellence) are somehow "female-associated" or that "μαστός" (breast) is somehow "male-associated."


        • Are there problems with sexism in history? Yes. But let's not try to fix that by appealing to a spurious etymology.






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            'Herstory' is not much more than a nonce-word. It's the sort of thing that used to be quoted by feminists in order to demonstrate how wrongfully the world, even the English language, had been arranged to ensure that men would rule it. As @brianpck suggests, it's quite wrong to look for any other etymological explanation.



            Over the years, other words have been suggested with similar intent. You can see the sort of thing in the tongue-in-cheek suggestion that Manchester should become 'Personchester', which was in its turn corrected by some to 'Perchildchester' or 'Perkidchester'. Sadly enough, it all went to trivialise what was, in fact, a serious call for reform in an important aspect of British society, one that is still being addressed.






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            'Herstory' is not much more than a nonce-word. It's the sort of thing that used to be quoted by feminists in order to demonstrate how wrongfully the world, even the English language, had been arranged to ensure that men would rule it. As @brianpck suggests, it's quite wrong to look for any other etymological explanation.



            Over the years, other words have been suggested with similar intent. You can see the sort of thing in the tongue-in-cheek suggestion that Manchester should become 'Personchester', which was in its turn corrected by some to 'Perchildchester' or 'Perkidchester'. Sadly enough, it all went to trivialise what was, in fact, a serious call for reform in an important aspect of British society, one that is still being addressed.






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            • Man hattan......

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            'Herstory' is not much more than a nonce-word. It's the sort of thing that used to be quoted by feminists in order to demonstrate how wrongfully the world, even the English language, had been arranged to ensure that men would rule it. As @brianpck suggests, it's quite wrong to look for any other etymological explanation.



            Over the years, other words have been suggested with similar intent. You can see the sort of thing in the tongue-in-cheek suggestion that Manchester should become 'Personchester', which was in its turn corrected by some to 'Perchildchester' or 'Perkidchester'. Sadly enough, it all went to trivialise what was, in fact, a serious call for reform in an important aspect of British society, one that is still being addressed.






            share|improve this answer













            'Herstory' is not much more than a nonce-word. It's the sort of thing that used to be quoted by feminists in order to demonstrate how wrongfully the world, even the English language, had been arranged to ensure that men would rule it. As @brianpck suggests, it's quite wrong to look for any other etymological explanation.



            Over the years, other words have been suggested with similar intent. You can see the sort of thing in the tongue-in-cheek suggestion that Manchester should become 'Personchester', which was in its turn corrected by some to 'Perchildchester' or 'Perkidchester'. Sadly enough, it all went to trivialise what was, in fact, a serious call for reform in an important aspect of British society, one that is still being addressed.







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